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I was asking the question to see if anyone had a starting point. Not to tell me my process is wrong. I have been writing contracts in my professional life for several years and am capable of checking through the wording to be sure there aren't conflicts. I am open to input about sections in a contract that people have found helpful or important. Even using an aviation lawyer it would still be helpful to have worked through a basic form of the contract first with your co-owner instead of paying the lawyer to do the same thing while you and the co-owner negotiate on certain provisions or make simple edits. It's also nice to have a starting point (boiler plate if you will) to have something to add your provisions to that are specific to your agreement and then have reviewed by a lawyer if desired.

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Does anyone have or know where to find a decent co-ownership agreement boiler plate? Just something to have a baseline start and build upon.

Blame me for the major topic drift. I couldn't not go on the defensive when my generation was invoked. I think Mooney just didn't innovate properly to match the demand. I love Mooneys and think they are one of the best small aircraft produced, but they didn't catch the right market in my unqualified opinion. Cirrus knew/ knows how to market and sell their product in the modern age. We can argue the actual safety value of the CAPS system and other safety features until we turn blue, but at the end of the day more people wanted that than wanted a very expensive but fast Mooney.

I definitely take your point. I think lumping a whole generation into a mindset of preferring virtual interactions over worldy interactions is still not completely fair though. Much like the above mentioned statistical bias, you're basing an entire generation on those children the you have raised and taught. I completely understand that I don't fully know or understand your perspective nor the extent of your data to base your viewpoint on. I know it is pervasive but every viewpoint is different. If I may, I'd like to throw a bit of a philosophical question at you regarding the difference in the younger generation's interaction and the older generation's. What defines reality? If the general population has shifted their interpersonal interactions to the online world and the minority of the population has chosen to interact in person which is reality? Is there an actual difference outside of one's own perspective? A viewpoint I like best is are you sure what you're seeing is what you're seeing? What you're seeing with your eyes is just an interpretation of an electrical signal from your optic nerve to your brain. I know that got a bit off topic but I found the diversion to be enjoyable. I may very well be an exception but maybe not in the way you mean (just my perspective). I have chosen to take a majority share of my income and put it into aviation. Some people choose other hobbies, bigger houses, or more often don't have the extra income. One other point to make, I grew up in a lesser virtualized era. I know we had some virtualization of video games in the 1990s but that was something only a few of the kids had that I was surrounded by. The internet wasn't a thing like it is today, basically non existent until I was an older adolescent. I spent much of my time riding bicycles around the neighborhood, fishing, hunting, and enjoying the outdoors. I also saw the fast technological boom of the late 90s and 2000s so I was still developing in this time and still maintained a desire for adventure outside of virtual reality. Now I would love to have access to a full VR system, but am unwilling to spend that money! I completely agree that restriction of time on device is essential. The issue, which I'll refer back to my previous post, is the way some of the major technology companies have innovated. Their platforms use "super computers" to mine all of our interaction data and find ways to grab onto our subconscious and keep us scrolling. I can't stress enough how dangerous this is and if you look at how our society currently interacts, it's evident. This is what has driven polarization, made conspiracy theories mainstream, and made big tech very rich. The thing is, this affects everybody, older and younger. I also am not saying big tech has done this intentionally, their business model is to keep us on the device as long as possible to sell more ad space. All said, I am very glad to have a Mooney, fly, and be on Mooneyspace. Its a wonderful resource for aircraft information and now thoughtful conversation drift!

I love this explanation and example. You put quite eloquently what I would have liked to have been able to say!

Is the name you're looking for "confirmation bias"?

I just couldn't disagree more. I grew up during the boom of the internet as a millennial. To say that a generation has no drive because they have a different experience is quite unfair and disingenuous. If anything, the video games I played made me want to travel more places and see more things because they provided an adventurous spark that growing up in small town America wouldn't have otherwise provided (go to school, find a job, buy a home, pop out a couple kids, start over). This doesn't even account for the communication provided by online gaming which you get to play and talk with people from all over the world. How many video games are based on space travel, adventurism, and general competition? This drive in people doesn't stop here, it begins here. I completely understand there is always a generational difference between an older and younger generation but I think both groups have to recognize that. How many war (WWII) aged people looked down on their children's generation (thinking they didn't have any drive) because they were living the peace and love mindset of the 60s and some of the the 70s? Every generation is different and experiences the world differently. The idea of wanting to be a youtube/ sports star is similar to past generations but the format is different. Did you not grow up and know somebody that wanted to be a famous musician or be in the movies? Its human nature to want to be known by the population at large. From what I've seen about how people interact socially now is a result of the forums that are most commonly available. The challenges all people face now with the internet and the AI used to increase user time on platforms like Youtube and Facebook are so effective that we don't even know they're working on us. This can be a completely different subject that doesn't necessarily belong on a airplane forum but the algorithms used by these companies are downright dangerous in how they appeal to our subconscious.

That’s a very good point as well. When I was getting my license most people were surprised I was only doing it recreationally. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I went through this. If he can pass a neuropsychological exam then he can get his medical. It’s a pain though. Can no longer take any adhd medication of course. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I’d like to get in here a bit as a millennial pilot (32 years old) and with experience having been previously prescribed Ritalin for ADD and also having spent a lot of time playing video games. First off, having been prescribed Ritalin in the past and then failing my medical because of it was a ridiculous headache. I had to take a neuropsychological test to show that I had an acceptable attention span (by whatever antiquated standard the FAA uses). That was quite expensive and I had to drive to Washington DC to do it. The only reason I went that far was my drive to get my license. It eventually worked out but took months to get my approval after the $2000 test the took 5 hours. I find any argument about video games removing “today’s kids” from reality to be kind of far fetched. I also spent a lot of time outdoors but socialized a lot playing video games online (really teaches you how vulgar all cultures are). I’m not saying some kids can’t get addicted or lose touch with reality, but the vast majority of kids are/ were like me. They were fun to play with our buddies. I may come off more adversarial here than I mean to but I’ve heard blame placed on video games throughout my life. I think the biggest issue I see when it comes to new pilots/ potential pilots has already been stated a couple times. It’s really really expensive. The only reason I was initially able to get my license was due to a grandparent passing away and leaving me $10,000. I could have afforded to do it, I just was too cautious to jump into something that expensive. I think a lot of this mindset of our generation can be tied into coming of adult age in the middle of the Great Recession. It took me over a year after college to get an entry level position that payed what my part time job was paying at small restaurant. Since I got the initial boost of funding and absolutely fell in love with flying I have committed much more of my extra cash into aviation. I have read similar comparisons to those already mentioned in the affordability of aviation today verses the 60s, 70s, and maybe early 80s. People have a lot more resources today (distractions if you will) but normal social culture allows less disposable income. Just my thoughts. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Ahh, yes I forgot to address the fuel flow as well. I have a transducer that reads out to my 530W and I typically see around 17gph (from glancing memory) at full throttle on climb out. Pattern work definitely burns a good bit more fuel so the suggestion to fly somewhere to get a better baseline is a good one. I’ve never had a flooding issue with my priming method so I’m unsure what our difference may be. But if it consistently floods that quickly I would think there may be something going on, but I’m not qualified to guess beyond that. I adjust my priming on ambient air temperature (and engine temp) if it’s cold I’ll pump 4 to 5 times but if it’s really warm I may not even need one pump of the throttle. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

The typical start procedure I use is to run the electric fuel pump until the fuel pressure maximizes then turn it off. I’ll then pump the throttle 3 to 5 times and watch the fuel pressure drop. Once I do that I push the throttle around 1/4” (once you feel friction in the cable), push the mixture to full rich and start. It usually starts pretty fast. Is this your first mooney? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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I'm still learning all of the updates that were done on the airplane but I don't think its the original SoS system. I do not have the push and turn ignition if that helps (Just turn the key!).

The previous owner was the one who had the work done/ did the work not me. I purchased this airplane back in August. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

The closest I know of is Tommy Lenhart based out of Thomaston, GA. KOPN. He did the prebuy/ annual on mine and owns a mooney himself. (770)468-7470. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Okay, so I made a trip to the airport today to get a better look at what I had going on. It’s not a ground or P lead that was worn. It’s a wire that runs with the retard wire. I have attached a few photos. This wire runs back to the firewall and is mounted close to the cowling with just a barrel connection dead ended. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I need to take a picture of it. From memory, there are two separate wires going to each of my slick mags. They are independent wires coming out of the firewall and labeled. The one that is worn is labeled mag ground and I think the other may be labeled either mag power or p lead (I can't remember exactly).

Okay, when I go back to the airport I'll take a look at the difficulty of replacing the whole wire and see how that'll work instead of making the repair. I'll take a picture if I solder instead of replacing.

The wiring was all very recently replaced. The installer didn't have the ground pulled far enough away from the vacuum pump so its been rubbing. Its the only needed repair.

Definitely, I had no intention of not repairing it before flying again. Plus, I'd have to take all of the cowling off again to reach it. Would soldering like this be a permanent repair? I'm very comfortable soldering like you've shown in a photo (everything would be inspected and signed off by my A&P).

No, it’s the ground wire. It wasn’t secured far enough away from a friction point and has rubbed about 30% through the wire. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

That’s why I’m asking the question, to determine what the common practice is. I could have worded my question better I suppose. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

You were helpful in me learning about that aspect of the wiring. I’ve unsuccessfully tried to get in touch with my A&P but he’s apparently just began a new job and will only be doing the work part-time now. I may be looking for a new mechanic... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk