Great E/J Clone for Sale

[Echo]

20 hours ago, Hank said:

He could have flown a Bonanza, 14-15 gph for 165 knots . . . Or ~45% more fuel and 8% more speed . . .

Missiles are great planes. I wanted one a while back, but no longer need it in retirement. 

Ditto.

[Echo]

On 12/14/2025 at 9:14 AM, Echo said:

Retractable step would be a reason to retain the vacuum and I bet the speed brakes are vacuum.  I believe later model brakes were electric, but were first vacuum powered.

NOT vacuum.  Manual with handle on floor.  There were at least three types of brakes.  Manual, pneumatic, electric.

[Aaviationist]

On 12/17/2025 at 8:47 PM, Shadrach said:

I’m truly impressed by all of the thought and experience in this post. I wish I could give something back to you but it’s clear that you are simply smarter and more experienced than almost anyone on this board. Thanks for the insights.

I’m sure for someone who doesn’t understand what basic hull coverage is and means, it is truly impressive. 

[Aaviationist]

On 12/17/2025 at 8:47 PM, Shadrach said:

I’m truly impressed by all of the thought and experience in this post. I wish I could give something back to you but it’s clear that you are simply smarter and more experienced than almost anyone on this board. Thanks for the insights.

I’m sure for someone who doesn’t understand what basic hull coverage is and means, it is truly impressive. 
 

for the rest of us, it’s common sense. 

[Aaviationist]

On 12/17/2025 at 8:47 PM, Shadrach said:

I’m truly impressed by all of the thought and experience in this post. I wish I could give something back to you but it’s clear that you are simply smarter and more experienced than almost anyone on this board. Thanks for the insights.

I’m sure for someone who doesn’t understand what basic hull coverage is and means, it is truly impressive. 
 

for the rest of us, it’s common sense. 
 

here’s an excerpt straight out of my personal policy -

hull value is the pre-agreed monetary worth of the physical asset (the "hull") itself, including its structure, engines, and equipment
 

Which again is based on market value. Not some magical made up fantasy.  Most insurance carriers use some sort of VRef guide and go off that. 

 

You can reply with all the dimwit responses you want, but that IS how hull value works. It’s not what you have into it, or a normal price plus a tank reseal or some other fantasy idea. 
 

it IS an agreed upon market value. Nothing more but sometimes less. 

Edited December 19, 2025 by Aaviationist

[Aaviationist]

On 12/17/2025 at 6:29 AM, Shadrach said:

Maybe not, but there are several models that make pretty good load haulers. The M20F, the M20S and the Encore are often good load haulers.

The M20Fs often have >1050lbs which means you can fill the seats and go ~500nm.

If I put 175lbs per seat + 120lbs in the baggage compartment (max), I have enough useful load left for 40gls of fuel which is 3hrs plus a 1hr reserve with zero CG issues. I think you’d find that many C182’s would struggle to legally match my bird in range vs payload scenarios, yet their reputation as fill it and fly it airplanes precedes them.

I removed my seats for a hurricane relief flight and cubed out at ~670lbs of supplies. Plenty of UL left for pilot and fuel for the 300nm trip. 

So maybe no one buys them for the useful load, but it’s ignorant to dismiss them until you’ve run the numbers.

Good to see that the AI bot is not given to stereo typing.

… 

 

I’m not sure what type of other fantasy information you put into this thought as well but - 

 

(the prompt that’s cut off is “Mooney m20f useful load compared to a Cessna 182”

 

also from AI -Mooney owners often face negative stereotypes in the aviation community, primarily due to a perceived culture of intense defensive elitism and "smugness"

Edited December 20, 2025 by Aaviationist

[Justin Schmidt]

2 hours ago, Aaviationist said:

elitism and "smugness

Cessna sucks, cirrus needs a chute. mooney rules 

[Aaviationist]

 

2 hours ago, Justin Schmidt said:

Cessna sucks, cirrus needs a chute. mooney rules 

That’s not what AI says

[Echo]

14 hours ago, Aaviationist said:

 

That’s not what AI says

Best non-pilot plane EVER.

[C5Quest]

On another note….who bought it?   I asked and was told under contract but it’s still up on their website 

[Echo]

On 12/20/2025 at 2:17 PM, C5Quest said:

On another note….who bought it?   I asked and was told under contract but it’s still up on their website 

Listing is gone.  It didn't last long...