gsengle

Quote: Becca Exactly. For the most part, one government agency cannot regulate another. Thus NASA certifies its planes and pilots for airworthiness (not in so many words) rather than the FAA and flies under their own rules. This becomes very interesting when you need to be a passenger in a NASA aircraft, you have to sign a waiver that says you understand the plane and pilots may not conform to any FAA standards. I've had to sign these waivers before flying on the Vomet Comet. Interestingly, there is an additional wrinkle. Now NASA contracts to the private "Zero G" corp for microgravity flights. When it flies tourists it flies under its own FAA certificate, but technically when it is flying for NASA, its off the certificate, as a result, the plane could be equipped differently if NASA requires than what is allowed by the FAA. Anyway. As for flying over public areas, I am certain hazard analysis was done ad naseum as well as many many discussions with FAA, DC authorities, DoD, etc. before determining route of flight. Its a giant bureacracy, this is how things are done.

Did they get some sort of waiver to fly it over populated areas? Isn't this part of the experimental rules? Just curious if anyone had thoughts...

Quote: DaV8or Jeez! Are we turning into the Red Board already?? Welcome Jonh to our forums. IMO, the search button is not a required entry manuever. Just about every topic has been discussed, so if everyone just clicked search and got their answer, the forums would slow down and die. If some find the same ol' same ol' topic boring, no need to respond or even read for that matter.

Quote: johnggreen As much as I hope they are recovered in some semblane of "restorable" condition, I have my doubts. I will first have to note that "experts believe" leaves me skeptical. If I thought I had found a buried Spitfire 4-6 feet deep, you may bet that I would wear a shovel out post haste to verify. If found, being buried, may not be any better than had they been sitting on the ground. The acidity of the soil is going to have a lot to do with whether anything of value survived. Where I live, we have very acidic soil. Anything metal left in contact with it for long will vanish in a few years, even bronze fittings on water lines. Anyway, I hope I'm wrong and badly so. Now, if Amelia Earhart would just come walking up arm in arm with Elvis. Sorry, don't mean to be too cynical; just bored. I think I'll go clean out my hangar. Jgreen

Quote: mooneyman Skybrd- DAY is the closest airport to the museum (15 miles vs 20 miles from Wright Bros MGY). I would love to get permission to use the old strip behind the museum for a GA fly in. I will have to look into it.

Quote: borealone -86 it is...good eye! I'll dig up some cockpit photos...only major changes on the panel have been the addition of a 530W. Everything else is pretty much as delivered from the factory.

Quote: borealone Second (or third) the Jackson Hole, West Yellowstone and Glacier Park suggestions. Spokane (Felt's Field) is a great stop just west of Glacier - it's got a fantastic Art Deco-style airport building dating from the '30s that is worth a stop just to admire, but also has a great café and reasonably priced fuel.

So while I'm at it, what airport/FBO is my best bet in the Seattle area? (not $$$, precision approach, rental car availability)?

I'm taking the Mooney on a big ten day journey from the northeast to Seattle and back in about a month. In Seattle, will definately stop at the Museum of Flight. Thinking about stopping to see Mount Rushmore, Devil's Tower... Basically I'll be flying across the northern US... I'm looking for fly in friendly suggestions to where to visit! Any cool places to camp on field or near? Must see destinations? thanks in advance! Greg

I once went DAB to FRG, prob 850nm in 4.8 hours, only burning 63 gallons...

Quote: Shadrach This is why I feel that the "178 secs to live" proverb is counter productive. It's scary enough for a VFR pilot when they inadvertently enter IMC. Having a voice telling you that your going to die in the next 3 minutes does not help.

THANKS Stacey and Bill! A communication like this is great. My Ovation, 1996 serial number 89, was just inspected and was fine. I hope we will start seeing new Mooneys one day soon.

pp - 23 pa28rt201 - 37 IA - 38 m20r - 40

Quote: gsengle Anyone know more about the story behind this? Wanted to make sure people saw this - I subscribe to these as emails from the FAA. Any idea why it only applies to newer Ovations? Greg

Anyone know more about the story behind this? Wanted to make sure people saw this - I subscribe to these as emails from the FAA. Any idea why it only applies to newer Ovations? Greg

Quote: maropers Although there's a full blown compressor where I share space I have one of the basic plug it in the cigarette lighter compressors available at any auto store, or Harbor Freight

I want a tire pump to keep in the hangar. What do people use? What's my cheapest non aviation option? g

I'd be interested...

Quote: jlunseth Well, if words don't have connotations over the radio, what about controllers saying "November" slowly. Or pausing after saying it. It has a meaning, it means "all you little guys not named Cactus or Gopher listen up, I am going to say something to one of you and I don't want you sleeping when I do." Is that not right? One of the benefits of going from the two syllable "Nectar" to the longer, three syllable "November." Sort of rolls slowly off the tongue and that's what ATC controllers do with it. "Clear of the active xy" is the same thing at an uncontrolled airport, it means "I just landed and have cleared the runway, you can come in behind me." In addition, what does "active" mean for use over the radio, if not that. I fly out of a towered field and have for several years. I have never heard the word "active" used, either by controllers or pilots. Not even in the ATIS announcing the runways "in use." You don't announce that you are "clear of the active" at a towered airport, its unnecessary, they know where you are.

Quote: PilotDerek g

Quote: PilotDerek

Quote: rob What's funny to me is that most of the time, the folks sounding unprofessional on the radio are the ones who are professionals. I frequently get frustrated by the radio lingo used by guys flying the heavy stuff. I think that ATC may or may not trust you based on what you say and how you say it, but they certainly discriminate based on what you're flying.

Quote: PilotDerek So what do you say at an uncontrolled airport?

Quote: rob The literal meaning of "flight following" as I understand it, according to the AIM, is in Cape Cod and overwater. Their equivalent of the lake reporting service in the great lakes. I don't have any problem with "flight following" on the radio though, it's universally used, and understood.

Quote: Parker_Woodruff Interesting. Addison tower (ADS) and multiple other towers I've visited have the words "VFR flight following" recorded in their ATIS.