AndyFromCB Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 Here's a nice text I just received from a small business owner doing some work for me: "Sorry. Been trying to get all business tax junk done ALL morning. Government - all branches - do everything they can do to kill a small business. Don't have time to waste with them! Anyway just plugging away on you. No new news" Do you need his number flyboy? Obviously he doesn't understand how good government is for business? Maybe you can help him understand? Maybe he is brighter than me? Like I said, never ask a barber if you need a haircut. You should find someone else to do work for you. This guy clearly knew the excuse would work on you. Know your audience.
flyboy0681 Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 Here's a nice text I just received from a small business owner doing some work for me: "Sorry. Been trying to get all business tax junk done ALL morning. Government - all branches - do everything they can do to kill a small business. Don't have time to waste with them! Anyway just plugging away on you. No new news" Do you need his number flyboy? Obviously he doesn't understand how good government is for business? Maybe you can help him understand? Maybe he is brighter than me? Maybe it's a Georgia thing. While my CPA handles my tax forms for me down here, my only interface to the State of Florida is a once a year Annual Report due to the Dept of Corporations, and that's a simple web page and a $150 fee. Almost forgot, my city also requires me to renew my business license once a year at $60.
flyboy0681 Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 Like I said, never ask a barber if you need a haircut. You should find someone else to do work for you. This guy clearly knew the excuse would work on you. Know your audience. What did you think of Dave's business model for rural hospitals?
flyboy0681 Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 I am sure none of us are as smart as you If I was smart I wouldn't need a CPA to do my taxes, now would I?
AndyFromCB Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 You have a business, you charge customers what services cost plus a profit margin. If you can't pay then you can't have the services. Or if you are a socialist, you just forget all that and want the government to take over ... So everyone gets everything "for free" ... and you can't admit that nothing is free and SOMEONE has to pay the bill ... Boy am I an idiot! Which works fine and dandy for bread, smoked turkey and oil changes. Not for childhood leukemia. Or for when you fall down doing pre-flight on your customer's jet and you realize the cheap bastard forgot to pay the workmen's premium in order to make a jet payment...
flyboy0681 Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 You have a business, you charge customers what services cost plus a profit margin. If you can't pay then you can't have the services. Boy am I an idiot! OK, Tifton General charges $5,000 for an operating room per hour and $1,200 a day for a bed (these are real numbers by the way), plus plus plus. Here comes little Timmy with a tummy ache that turns out to be appendicitis and the E/R doctor says "Young man, your appendix has to come out right away". At that time Timmy's daddy meets with the billing department and they tell him that the hospital charges will be approximately $25k, but it doesn't include the surgeon's fee ($6,000), the assistant surgeon ($3,000), surgical staff nurses or the anesthesiologist ($4,500). Then Timmy's daddy says "but I can't pay these outrageous amounts, I don't have the money or insurance, at which time the billing clerks shouts out "next!". You think I'm being funny here but this is how it is Dave. Would Timmy's father go somewhere else where they may charge $500 less? What does Timmy's dad do in this case? Let little Timmy die? Don't be so hard on yourself, you're not an idiot, just delusional. 1
flyboy0681 Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 If you can't figure it out ... just say the government should do it ... That stuff about people paying their way is just wrong ... Right? My point in all this, and I'm sorry if you can't grasp it, is that a lot of hospitals - large and small - are not in a business that can sustain itself by the income (or lack of) that they generate. These are institution's that have tremendous overhead and a clientele that can't necessarily pay for the services provided. What would be the result be if your airline charged $1,500 for each and every seat between Augusta and Atlanta? Of course there may be two or three people on the 50 seat aircraft, but how long would that route be in service may I ask? This is an apples to apples example.
flyboy0681 Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 No my airline does generate the income by the service provided. Airplanes and the staff to support, maintain, and operate them are expensive, as we aircraft owners all well know. Nevertheless there are small operators providing good service at a reasonable price. So in your apples to apples example ... You sort of proves my point. Unless of course you want to say the underprivileged don't get to fly, so we need the government to take over the airlines ... My point was that the airline beancounters determined that each seat would need to generate $1,500 each to break even and make a small profit. That number is based upon the assumption that every seat would be filled at $1,500, but on a typical flight only two people would be able to afford it and board, resulting in a loss for each flight that requires the carrier to discontinue service to Augusta. That's the same as the hospital beancounter determining that they need to fill every bed, every day at $1,200 a day or face shutting down. Which is exactly what is happening.
flyboy0681 Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 Hate to cut you off, but time to go have "fun." Fly safe.
alex Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 You are (in my view) 100% correct about people that elect to kill themselves by indulging in really bad habits. However, you would have a hard time convincing me that a 22 year old woman has babies just to collect her $156 monthly welfare payment. If that were the case they would spit out dozens, not just 1 or two. I found this about the subject: 1. Poor women have more children because of the "financial incentives" of welfare benefits. Repeated studies show no correlation between benefit levels and women's choice to have children. States providing relatively higher benefits do not show higher birth rates among recipients. In any case, welfare allowances are far too low to serve as any kind of "incentive": A mother on welfare can expect about $90 in additional AFDC (Aid to Families with Dependent Children) benefits if she has another child. Furthermore, the real value of AFDC benefits, which do not rise with inflation, has fallen 37 percent during the last two decades (The Nation, 12/12/94). Birth rates among poor women have not dropped correspondingly. The average family receiving AFDC has 1.9 children -- about the same as the national average. ENJOY Flyboy4 44.....Nice Tattoos and phone eh? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60KtCDJAf30
flyboy0681 Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 ENJOY Flyboy4 44.....Nice Tattoos and phone eh? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60KtCDJAf30 And your point is?
Guest Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 OK, Tifton General charges $5,000 for an operating room per hour and $1,200 a day for a bed (these are real numbers by the way), plus plus plus. Here comes little Timmy with a tummy ache that turns out to be appendicitis and the E/R doctor says "Young man, your appendix has to come out right away". At that time Timmy's daddy meets with the billing department and they tell him that the hospital charges will be approximately $25k, but it doesn't include the surgeon's fee ($6,000), the assistant surgeon ($3,000), surgical staff nurses or the anesthesiologist ($4,500). Then Timmy's daddy says "but I can't pay these outrageous amounts, I don't have the money or insurance, at which time the billing clerks shouts out "next!". You think I'm being funny here but this is how it is Dave. Would Timmy's father go somewhere else where they may charge $500 less? What does Timmy's dad do in this case? Let little Timmy die? Don't be so hard on yourself, you're not an idiot, just delusional. Perhaps all of these professionals are highly overpaid. If any of them make a serious mistake poor Timmy will leave this world for another. Your A&P or airplane shop owner can't charge anyway near these prices despite having the lives of many more people in his or her hands at any one time. Clarence
jetdriven Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 If you can't figure it out ... just say the government should do it ... That stuff about people paying their way is just wrong ... Right? here's a big problem, zero transparency. You have insurance or you dont. Lets say you do. Your wife goes into labor and you go the pre-arranged hospital to give birth. Complications develop and the child ends up in the Neonatal ICU, (NICU), and a special pediatric physician attending. A week of that business, then mother goes home with child. The bill comes, for 80,000$ and the insurance company denies it. Eighty grand, you say, WTF? The insurance company denies it because, although the hospital is in network, and the NICU there is as well, the attending physician is not, and you didnt pre-authorize it, therefore you pay. Now they didnt see this coming, and they dont have any way to shop and compare. Turns out, in the Houston market, there is no combination of NICU and Neo Dr. in he entire city of TEN million. not one. Is this OK with you?
flyboy0681 Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 here's a big problem, zero transparency. You have insurance or you dont. Lets say you do. Your wife goes into labor and you go the pre-arranged hospital to give birth. Complications develop and the child ends up in the Neonatal ICU, (NICU), and a special pediatric physician attending. A week of that business, then mother goes home with child. The bill comes, for 80,000$ and the insurance company denies it. Eighty grand, you say, WTF? The insurance company denies it because, although the hospital is in network, and the NICU there is as well, the attending physician is not, and you didnt pre-authorize it, therefore you pay. Now they didnt see this coming, and they dont have any way to shop and compare. Turns out, in the Houston market, there is no combination of NICU and Neo Dr. in he entire city of TEN million. not one. Is this OK with you? A good friend of mine is a Neonatologist down here and he doesn't contract with health plans because he has no need to. He's a great guy and I'd like to think that he would be open to negotiation on his fees if needed, but it's one subject which I don't discuss with him.
flyboy0681 Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 If any of them make a serious mistake poor Timmy will leave this world for another. Are there airplanes in heaven?
alex Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 And your point is? If I have to slain you're not paying attention to the dribble that you're typing.
flyboy0681 Posted January 13, 2015 Report Posted January 13, 2015 If I have to slain you're not paying attention to the dribble that you're typing. Where did I say that fraud and abuse doesn't take place? What I tried to get across is that it's a myth that women on welfare keep spitting out babies so they can get a larger check each month, and that is clearly not the case. The video brings out an interesting point. Under the Welfare Reform Act which Clinton signed and the Republican's wrote, welfare queens were supposed to be a thing of the past. What happened? I detest welfare fraud as much as you and wish there were enough investigators to go after these people.
John Pleisse Posted January 13, 2015 Report Posted January 13, 2015 here's a big problem, zero transparency. You have insurance or you dont. Lets say you do. Your wife goes into labor and you go the pre-arranged hospital to give birth. Complications develop and the child ends up in the Neonatal ICU, (NICU), and a special pediatric physician attending. A week of that business, then mother goes home with child. The bill comes, for 80,000$ and the insurance company denies it. Eighty grand, you say, WTF? The insurance company denies it because, although the hospital is in network, and the NICU there is as well, the attending physician is not, and you didnt pre-authorize it, therefore you pay. Now they didnt see this coming, and they dont have any way to shop and compare. Turns out, in the Houston market, there is no combination of NICU and Neo Dr. in he entire city of TEN million. not one. Is this OK with you? $80k? Maybe per week and if a kid makes it to the Nick-U, some come home quick, but most don't...so it's more like a quarter mil. Now, about paying this money out of pocket? We may, but our immigrant neighbors from the south who join our huttled masses, don't. And of course we are aware of their excellent neonatal care. Lastly, insurance is either or. Everyone will soon be taxed if they aren't insured (to the extent of burden). NICU-NEO Doc's....... purely a function of malpractice insurance. In Maryland, half of our Obsetricians have quit. Why hasn't the ACA solved these issues?
alex Posted January 13, 2015 Report Posted January 13, 2015 Welfare Queen Tells ALL: Not for sensitive ears or the easily offended.
flyboy0681 Posted January 13, 2015 Report Posted January 13, 2015 Chapter Jackson - It's Free Swipe Yo EBT Not for sensitive ears or the easily offended. Man I wish I was dirt poor so instead of paying a few grand a month towards a mortgage I could get Section 8 housing and live in a highrise (I absolutely love the look of cinder block walls in my bedroom, don't you?). And on top of all that I could get a hundred and twenty five bucks a month to eat out with. And then I'd get another hundred bucks to pay for all of my other expenses like car insurance, cell phone and day care. Wait a minute - did I say cell phone? Pffft, stupid me, the government would give me that too. It's called the Obamaphone and comes with sixty minutes of talk time. Why am I knocking myself out and working myself into an early grave if I could just quit, go on public assistance and live it up? 1
flyboy0681 Posted January 13, 2015 Report Posted January 13, 2015 Full version Welfare Queen Tells ALL: Her last line was the best, with all that free stuff like free home and gas and electric, who wouldn't want to live in America? Of course she isn't talking about living in Bel Air or Newport Beach, she's talking about South Central and Compton. She conveniently skips over that "little" fact. Ever drive past Cabrini Green in Chicago? That was all free housing too, until they tore it down. Man I wish I lived there too, being up there on the 15th floor looking at the lake. Ahh the life. Again, who here wouldn't want to get all of this stuff for free? Come on, who's with me?
scottfromiowa Posted January 13, 2015 Author Report Posted January 13, 2015 No exploitation of children in that video. Wow. Just wow. Just makes you want to crank that spicket open and keep feeding "the needy"... a "joke"? Sattirical? I think not. Just throwing back the entitlements into the face of those that provide them...The U.S. taxpayer. Stay Classey.
scottfromiowa Posted January 13, 2015 Author Report Posted January 13, 2015 Man I wish I was dirt poor so instead of paying a few grand a month towards a mortgage I could get Section 8 housing and live in a highrise (I absolutely love the look of cinder block walls in my bedroom, don't you?). And on top of all that I could get a hundred and twenty five bucks a month to eat out with. And then I'd get another hundred bucks to pay for all of my other expenses like car insurance, cell phone and day care. Wait a minute - did I say cell phone? Pffft, stupid me, the government would give me that too. It's called the Obamaphone and comes with sixty minutes of talk time. Why am I knocking myself out and working myself into an early grave if I could just quit, go on public assistance and live it up? #$%^ your response. 1
flyboy0681 Posted January 13, 2015 Report Posted January 13, 2015 No exploitation of children in that video. Wow. Just wow. Just makes you want to crank that spicket open and keep feeding "the needy"... a "joke"? Sattirical? I think not. Just throwing back the entitlements into the face of those that provide them...The U.S. taxpayer. Stay Classey. You and Alex make it sound like a glorious lifestyle and I want to get in on it. Don't you?
scottfromiowa Posted January 13, 2015 Author Report Posted January 13, 2015 Just about as stupid as the response from the WH press secretary...I don't know where the President is...after he says he was "at home" instead of in France with 15 other world leaders showing solidarity and mourning a senseless loss. Another Gun Control moment missed...
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