Matthew P

So, how was it that you were able to keep the smaller Registration Numbers as they changed the criteria for them to be 12" once the aircraft is repainted?

Well, the problem is, atleast in this instance, that even the MSCs aren't able to get these parts ordered from Mooney...it is not an individual sale, I'm essentially doing the groundwork for mooney to determine if there is enough demand to make a production run of the gear set, which you would think Mooney would be tracking when the MSCs put in request...I am hoping that we meet the quantity requirement for a run but I'm having trouble getting feedback from the 13 MSCs, I think it's because they have tried, but can't get Mooney to do anything so why waste more time...we currently have 35 individuals wanting a total of 55 gear sets, I'm waiting for mooney to tell me the minimum number required to make a production run, only heard back from (2) MSCs, and don't know the pricing yet because it will be based on final numbers..

I'll keep you posted but you need to start looking at options because I only know one person with a spare set of these and he's not interested on getting rid of them...options range fron $6k upto $16k...find used actuator with unknown gear condition to taking it out and changing over to J-Bar....hope something works out for those of us in this situation ..will let you know

You are welcome, hopefully we'll have the numbers needed to make this work

My initial conversations were just trying to find the gears to which they mentioned that they have been unsuccessful getting mooney to provide them...And currently I've contacted each one, via email, asking how many they would want to carry on hand if they were available...

I wouldn't say it is a high failure rate item, but if it does fail you are AOG because you can't get the parts...it only affects the Dukes Actuator and you will have a reocurring AD, lube every 100 hrs and remove clean and inspect every 200 hours.

didn't you find some that were for a cessna that would work in the Dukes actuator a few years ago?

Do you have a part number for the compatible ones for a cessna, can't get the mooney ones

LOL, we'll see, I've also reached out to every Mooney Service Center hoping that they will want to stock up, increasing the QTY to make it feasable and affordable for both Mooney and us, I haven;t stopped the OPP efforts, just running in parallel for now. will let you know.

Not posted by manufacture, on condition as of now as they are so old, appears to be directly tied to how they have been maintained and wether or not they have been properly serviced throughout the years. All I can tell you is that if yours are bad, you are AOG, there are none of these out there, you will have to buy a used actuator with questionable gears or convert over to the Johnson Bar, ant that also isn't cheap.

If it isn't the original (make, model, part number) prop then the restriction in the POH is worthless, you need to look through the historicals and look for the installation and STC for that prop, it should state the avoid range for that prop/engine configuration.

I spoke with the CEO of Mooney earlier in the week regarding the fact that the 20:1 or 40:1 gear sets, for the landing gear actuator, are unavailable and that there are only (2) rather expensive alternatives those face whose gear sets fail the Reoccurring AD. I made a proposal that he is considering but I need to know how many individuals are interested in or want a set of the OEM gears, depending on the outcome, we may have a (1) time opportunity to acquire a set. So, the information I owe Mr. Pollack is how many sets are needed which will determine if what I proposed is doable. If he accepts the proposal, then I will be able to let you know both the pricing and lead-time for the item, this would be similar to a consolidated purchase that would require that payment be made upfront. If (seriously) interested, please let me know how many sets you are interested in, if you know any of the MSCs that may be interested, please let them know as well, I am hoping that there is enough interested that the volume will both reduce cost and make the proposal acceptable to Mooney and the purchaser. Once again, this is for OEM gear sets, NOT what I am currently working on in the event this doesn't work out. V/r Matt

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Can you share his information in the event one of us runs into the same issue?

It's all OK Mike, no harm, no foul...like 2 brothers of the same family...safe travels

I have the same concerns which is why I'm doing my due diligence, I'm not getting into the manufacturing of these parts, but trying to identify a solution to the problem...sorry for being short, but at this point, if individuals aren't going to contribute to the solution, I really don't care what they have to say or their opinion...as with anything, people are going to have to make their own decision as to what they do and what they use, if this gets off the ground and it becomes a viable solution, then that's an option for individuals like myself that don't want to put the aircraft on jacks, pull the actuator apart, to comply with the AD, just to find that the gears failed the inspection....now I/they find their aircraft AOG with virtually no options for the foreseeable near fufuture.take a gamble and spend $8K for a used actuator with unknown condition of the gears or pay about the same to demod the aircraft to reinstall the J-Bar, IF you can find the parts available to do so... but thank you for your time, glad this issue doesn't concern you.

And what's your suggestion to rectify the problem Mike, do you have anything to contribute to solving the problem?

And what's your suggestion to rectify the problem Mike, do you have anything to contribute to solving the problem?

Well, evidently you don't have an electric landing gear actuator and thereby it doesn't impact you, for those of us that do, we have no options as mooney refuses to build anymore replacement gears so there are NONE available, our only options are to, demod the aircraft to put the Johnson bar in, pay $8K for a used actuator with unknown condition of gear wear, or attempt to determine if the OPP route is possible. You don't want to subscribe, that's fine, doesn't really affect you...I'm doing what the gearing manufacturer that I am working with, that makes gears for a living, and trying to get a copy of a new set of fears, which a member of this community was nice enough to loan me, trying to get a bad set of gears so the metalurgist can determine the type of material and heat treatment, etc...all this, at the recommendation of the gear manufacturing company to save the cost of them having to determine everything in order to hopefully make it affordable...so far I have found a machine shop that specializes in the scanning and creating of the cad file, a metalurgist that is willing to do the testing for free...so if it turns out that it can't be done...well then we'll just have to wait and see, gut not going to let someone's Google search comments. Keep me from trying since it doesn't appear anyone else is attempting to address the issue...thanks for your time

Your point being?

That's why I'm looking for used parts so that the metalurgist can determine that

Thanks, I've reached out to them but no success, hopefully the metalurgist will be able to recommend the appropriate material, I'm sure there are resources regarding the types of metals used with aircraft gearing.

Thanks

Thanks, I've reached out to them but no success, hopefully the metalurgist will be able to recommend the appropriate material, I'm sure there are resources regarding the types of metals used with aircraft gearing.