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Looks like a sweet airplane. It never hurts to post a few pic's along with your asking price.

It's a nice airplane. Have you plugged your numbers into AOPA's Vref?

Re: Why can't he fly on Jet Blue, rent a car from Budget and stay at La Quinta and mingle with his own kind. It would even be better if he just stayed at home and shut up.

This was good. We heard both sides. I agree with Piloto's comment. It's over.

Quote: alex The yoke control coming out of the center of the panel on the bonanzas, unless you are willing to pay big $$$ for a newer model, is horrible. That alone should steer you towards a Mooney.

Regarding the 530 vs 430 - You can also download the software and try both. Here's the link: http://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=3532

Re: I heard some crazy stories about the 530 being somewhat frustrating and cumbersome to use. Should a guy settle for a 430? The 530 is neither frustrating nor cumbersome. I had both in my airplane and preferred the 530 hands down. I now fly an airplane with a 430 and it does the job just fine (but I wish it was a 530!). So yes, I would settle for a 430 for sure. In the FWIW dept, I was flying an airplane that had a GNS 480 and did not like it as much as the 530/430. IMO the GNS 480 was not as intuitive.

Congratulations....a very sweet looking machine!

RE: "As far as resale goes I think the planes next mission will be as a container for Budwieser." Frankly it's sad but that's how I think. Back in the early 80's I sold my airplane for about what I paid for it. Not too bad considering I had some fun and in comparison, my car lost value. Then as time went by, the airplanes were appreciating as an investment because they weren't building them for a while. Then they started going down it price. And this has continued. The reality is, the pilot demographics just aren't what they used to be.

No problem Parker, I thought you were probably busy . Patrick

THanks Dave. So I guess you didn't really mean "to give up the dream to build", just push it back until they can start over. I think if an airplane manufacturer gives up hope to build airplanes....well, that pretty well says goodbye.

RE: "they can't do any of this until the give up on the dream of building airplanes and stop looking for a buyer" Dave, Please re-think this comment. Patrick

Mazerbase can you please provide an email, name or phone contact for the CFI at Bob White? Thanks Patrick

Re: Split/removeable rear seats are what I long for Scottfromiowa - can you please comment on why the non-split seats are not appreciated? I assume that the split movable just make it easier to load and unload stuff correct?

Re: Next we'll do religion You're correct. At this point it would take divine intervention to bring this thread back where it belongs...smile. rsmith probably read all this stuff and decided to get a Cirrus, Piper or Cessna.

Rsmith it looks like your thread got hijacked..... so anyway what where you asking about?....LOL

"DO we really want to discuss politics here?" No. But we should not try to control and intimidate those that express thier views. "If I knew this would have been a discussion about politics I would have passed." Then why did you post 2 big paragraphs expressing your political views? Maybe you should have passed. "I vote for no politics." Again, then why did you post your own political statement? Don't talk out of both sides of your mouth. IMHO - Lets talk airplane speak, but lets not suppress and try to control that speak. We can ignore what we don't want to debate and bring the subject back to Mooneys which is REALLY what I think vasco and aviatoreb are suggesting.

Re: "With the fuel prices the last 2 years and Obamanomics killing my biz I put the 340 up for sale and am looking at going back to a 201. "' This was not an offensive remark whatsoever. I’m tired of this political correctness and the need to give “kid glove treatment” to certain ultra sensitive people that don’t want to hear others views on things that happen in this world. When we sit around the hanger with our flying buddies we discuss all kinds of opinions and in part, it’s what keeps us interesting. We are all pilots, why can’t we do the same here? I wish to thank rsmith for calling an ace an ace, and a shovel a shovel. When I read this post it was like me looking in the mirror. The only difference is I already sold my Baron because of “fuel prices the last 2 years and Obamanomics”. A quick look at used aircraft prices and inventory tells me rsmith and me aren’t the only ones.

Parker, I sent you an email regarding your pending M20K. Patrick

I owned an airplane that had a gear up it was no problem to me. In fact ,unless you looked at the logs you'd never know. However, when it comes time to sell, the mention of damage history will ALWAYS come up, regardless of how many years ago, or who did the repair. I'd buy another bird with damage history if 1) it's at the right price, 2) properly repaired and documented. But I also know that when I sell, there is a smaller audience for birds with damage history. If the market is good for sellers this may not be as big of big problem. If it's a buyers market, it could take some time and the price will really play a role. Assume you find two very nice looking airplanes that are priced the same, both well maintained, hours about the same, etc. but one has damage history. Which one are you going to favor?

Re: the missed procedure (CLIMB, CLEAN, COOL, COMMUNICATE) In the for what it's worth department I have always found it easy to remember the 5 C's - Cram it (full power), climb it, clean it, cool it and call it (communicate). I guess it's hard to imagine someone wouldn't add full power (cram it) but I've learned in rough weather things can get real busy real quick.

Re: "But what's the reality? How much of the training is never actually utilized in real flying?" Well…here's my story: I had several instructors tell me that in the “real IFR world” I'd never get the full published approach with a procedure turn and I’d probably never get a hold. In fact, I was told computers helped make them a thing of the past. Having a brand new rating was nice, but I was a little concerned about flying an IFR flight all by myself. I needed some courage. So, I called my buddy that’s a professional pilot for some “real world” advice. He suggested that I file a short IFR trip on a good weather day to an airport I knew. Good weather (to me) was no ceiling whatsoever at either my home/destination airport, along with good visibility and no bumps or convective weather. His advice was appreciated and feeling like the lion in the Wizard of Oz, I now had courage. However, the day I filed the weather really didn’t fit my description of “good”. But after finally building up courage and I wasn’t going to chicken out. The weather that day was pretty much the same at both my home airport and destination. I recall something like 1100 ft overcast with good visibility. But even better, the TAF and briefer both said it would be scatted by the time I got to my destination. Cool. This was just what the lion needed to hear. Although I wasn’t real happy about launching into the overcast, I did think that it would be cool to penetrate into the soft clouds right after take off. And with the scattered clouds forecast at my destination it should be a non brainer approach. Or so I thought. Before launching, I was expecting a visual approach. After all, that is was the TAF and briefer said. Knowing the winds at my destination I thought that I would be “extra safe” and studied the GPS 29L approach. I launched pretty much on time and broke out on top at 4000 ft to a beautiful blue sky with soft smooth white clouds below. This was cool. I wasn't even nervous. About 15 minutes later ATC contacts me and I get new instructions to hold on over the VOR and I recall a little while later (I think while in the hold) I was told to expect the full VOR 29L approach. I responded by asking for the GPS 29L approach instead (and already had it loaded in my GPS) but got "not approved - only the full VOR 29L with the procedure turn". I thought to myself, holy crap! I didn't even study that approach! And another thing…it was supposed by be scattered clouds by now! Still in the clear, looking all around below me the clouds were not even broken, not one bit. It was still solid overcast everywhere. I thanked god for the autopilot and whipped out the VOR 29L approach plate and studied it while I was in the hold (with clear blue skies). ATC kept lowering me until I was in the goo and cleared for the full approach. I flew it without a burp. I broke out at 900 instead of 1100 and the airport was way over to my left because of the crosswind. All that training paid off. I later found out the radar went down which I why the change of plans.

Flyboy0681 - I got my Instrument and ME at American Flyers at KPMP several years ago and just returned for an IPC a month ago. I love thier sims there. I only found one of the instructors still there (Paul- he's very good). Thier approach (no pun intended) is IMO the best (or at least one of the best) around. Prior to American Flyers I had left another local school that was well known but thier teaching methods were not as effective.

Re: "I will be doing the entire IR training in the plane, no simulator for me." My suggestion - You should spend some time in the sim. In my experience, I found this to be the best way to learn IFR different approaches, arrivals, holds etc. In fact my progress improved substantially You can also stop anytime and discuss things with your CFI. Lastly, no need to worry about other traffic, which can cause distractions in the real world.

Thunberg, I had a BE55 that I flew several years for our business and will hopefully be moving into a Mooney sometime this year. The sole reason from twin to single for me- cost of operation. Cost not considered and given the choice, I'd still be flying my BE55. Night, over water & rough terrain flights (at least to me) are much more comfortable in the Baron. Like you mentioned, an engine loss, even on take off is no problem provided your on top of your game- which for me was engine out work every 90 days. Good luck with your new Baron. You will love the way that bird flys.