Kevin Harberg

C-GXTR FOR SALE.pdf

Happy New Year! Here's another video of C-GXTR that was placed elsewhere in the forum regarding the exhaust note of the CA-65 powered M-18.

Happy Thanksgiving Mark, (and to all Mooney enthusiasts). Unfortunately not a positive result from Smithsonian M-18 Lower Shock Pad drawings (for scaling replacement donuts). The drawing received is for the thin metal plate that separates the pucks. Can't seem to find any drawings related directly to the rubber components.

Wig Wag Gear Indicators Mooney M-18 The Wig Wag on the left is made by: The Wig Wag on the right is made by: The Anderson Co. Gary, Ind TRICO ANCO (Maxi Vac Model MV 1B) ¼” hose fitting 3/16” hose fitting One of these units is likely off of my M-18LA serial number 142 and the other is likely off of my M-18C serial number 306. Curious if manifold pressure differences between the 145cu in Lycoming (0-145) and the 170cu in Continental (CA65) require different vacuum units or if changes were made on the production line due to availability. My M-18 drawings only show the TRICO unit for both “L” and “C” models. Is anyone familiar with these gear warning indicators? I don’t know which one goes with which airplane.

Hi Mark . I have now received the requisition forms and will be sending back to the Smithsonian tomorrow (August 1, 2023). Will DM you with details via Mooney Space.

Still no response from the Smithsonian. I provided eMail address, physical address, and phone number for correspondence. I hope they didn't send an untitled eMail (I send those to "Junk" and delete "Junk" on a regular basis. Wish I could discuss purchase with a "real" person via telephone. How I long for the past.

Hi Mark @gummirat An application form has been mailed to the Smithsonian and I am awaiting the quote for drawing 0662 (Pad - Lower Shock). This is a bit of a slow process as the Smithsonian only permits mailed-in applications using their approved form, and then they contact the person requesting a copy of the print. The size of the print is negotiated and a quote issued prior to payment transaction. Then they mail the print. Everything done via snail mail. At no time does the Smithsonian review the print to advise if it contains the information desired (I reviewed all available prints a second time to determine if it is the most likely drawing containing the information you require). I am hopeful but not certain that any useful data will ensue.

The starboard cylinders suffer the most with heat build up around the exhaust ports. My M18 cylinders look like pictures I have seen of other CA65 powered Mites. I considered purchasing Piper Cub "eyebrows" but just couldn't picture them on a "faster" plane. Many shrouds have been fitted to other Mites to balance cooling. Here is a picture of typical Mite cylinder heat signature.

Hello Mark @gummirat I will contact the Smithsonian and check on prints (I expect Firestone has the original drawings for the M18 shock discs), the 1946 design used several outsourced rubber components (including 1942-1959 Chevrolet/GM truck starter pedal boot used on nosewheel steering tube fuselage seals).

All horizontally opposed M18 models built prior to 1953 (and the first half of the 1953 models) had Lycoming 0-145's. Those 65Hp Lycomings had two spark plugs mounted side by side on the top of each cylinder. The Lycoming exhaust exits the left side of the fuselage while the later Continental A65 models had the exhaust exit the right side of the fuselage. Good catch on identifying likely engine model. Twice the displacement of the M18 Lycomings.

I agree.

@gummirat Let me know if I can be of any assistance. I can send you the nosewheel bracket that has the bevelled steel mounting plates if it would be of any use. You may be able to access the aforementioned drawings from the Smithsonian as per my January 11th post. A scan of a "New Old Stock" rubber disc would likely give you the most accurate dimensions. I have some more "used" rubber discs still mounted on a spare set of "Main gear legs" but I suspect they are in similar condition to those I previously provided.

Hello Mark @gummirat Would you like me to send you the above piece for cone dimensions? ] Kevin

Here's a photo of the metal shock disc mount showing conical shape for top and bottom of each rubber shock disc.

The bracket that held the two sample shock discs you received, has a thick conical top and bottom metal disc. The disc between the two shock discs is thin and conical, however, it could have easily been compressed into that shape. Don't know if Clarence @M20Doc has his gear legs apart to verify my findings. Kevin Harberg

Go ahead and cut away Mark. It would be interesting to compare size and shape to original (New Old Stock).

Great news from Mark @gummirat The used M-18 shock discs have been sampled and type of compound, elastomeric property, and type of cloth have been identified. Just waiting on measurements of unused discs to create mold.

Hello @Walt I will send what I have via your e-mail (as you sent me via Mooney Space Messages) Regards, Kevin Harberg

Hello Mark @gummirat I have two rubber shock pads for the M-18 packaged and ready to send to you for analysis and destructive testing. Please forward mailing instructions via Mooney Space messages and I will get them on your way. Regards, Kevin Harberg

Hello Walt, I have found C-GXTR's Transport Canada Application To Construct Amateur-Built Aircraft. It shows the Allowable Gross Weight per E & I Manual to be 1431lbs and a Max Requested weight of 1025lbs (which was granted after I completed the Climb Test Report). The 1025lb requested weight permited the finished empty weight of 683lbs plus a 165lb pilot plus 29.5 gallons of fuel. The wing construction information indicates "Birch plywood similar to S.T.C. SA2-1053 (Mooney M-18 N-383A) by Frank Poplawski, Route 3, Ennis Texas". I could email you copies of Transport Canada allowable gross weight calculations and accompanying Climb Test Report for your perusal if you wish to message me (via Mooney Space Messages). Have a good one! Kevin Harberg

Just finished reviewing my paperwork and was not successful in finding a usable print for your use. I did find drawings calling them Rubber Spring Discs and another reference as Rubber Shock Pads (Originally Firestone CRE 714-1). The ASTM Spec was unreadable. After reviewing the Smithsonian drawings available for reprint, the most likely drawing is Mooney 0662 (11/9/1948) - Models: Mooney M18 - Title: PAD-LOWER SHOCK (9" x 11" Drawing) Smithsonian Item # DD-0029142. This drawing is available from the Smithsonian for a small fee if no other drawings show up in future replies to your request. You can order this drawing by completing the request form available at: https://airandspace.si.edu/files/pdf/archives/mooney-reproductions.pdf Hope this is of assistance to you, and to the Mooney Mite Community. I have a spare set mounted on a gear spindle that could be freighted to you from Canada. I had hoped that even though they are old and likely hard, I at least had them as an emergency spare, however, having a source of new replacement discs would be better. Let me know if you would like me to send you my spare gear spindle.

Thanks for your reply. I had been told that my "pipes" were considered high performance long ago, in that they were equal length and therefore produced more horsepower for takeoff (full throttle high RPM). I will look more closely at them next time I remove the cowl. Your mention of straight pipes on your C-85 makes me think that possibly all I have is a heat muff for cabin heat. I don't know if the "Fancy bends" that produce equal length would still qualify as straight pipes, but I always thought that just meant no muffler. It is noisy enough in the cockpit to use hearing protection (I use a noise cancelling headset), but I thought it had to do with the pipes exiting just ahead of my right knee and only a couple of inches outside of it.

The ultimate 2nd airplane. Will squeeze into almost any hangar space and is a blast to fly. Same feel in the controls (roll rate, pitch, glide, landing characteristics, etc) but with a stick. You know when the 4 place is in the shop for its annual and you miss having acces to fly, pull out the Mite and have at it. Low purchase price, low operating cost, and it turns heads just like its big brother.

@Aerodon Good catch. One to many zero's on my post indicaing 16000 sq ft (Should be 1600). There were some 324 drawings total including the optional drawings (gear doors, auxillary fuel, etc). These were similar in size to the rolled up blueprints you would see on construction sites. I must be more careful with future posts. Disinformation does more harm than good. I will edit the original post to correct my typo. Happy new year!

April 10, 1950-Mooney Aircraft Inc. Wichita, Kanasa Speicfications for the M18C quote "Firestone rebound - control Shock Units and Firestone 4.00X4 Tire Equipment". Wouldn't it be great if Firestone still sold the same units under some automotive part number (Perhaps Mack Truck)?