gabez

I was asked for authorization from the FSDO on fuel and oil. I don't know what they took from other planes if any

I am in communication with the FSDO FAA, the samples collected have been analyzed and test results are under review. this was as of yesterday.

MP/FF/RPM and scan for all 6 cylinders firing. as I climb I keep an eye on the FF and RPM. if my FF is at 25 GPH usually my TIT is at 1400 through the climb

how do you know? who has wet tanks and currently using G100UL? we do have 7 aircrafts with reported problems after introducing G100

I agree with you. Either it is drop in and it works with all vintages or it is not and guardrails will need to be put in place.

you stated "Since it has more solvent action than 100LL"....the question is not if aviation fuel has solvents, I am asking about your statement. where did you find that and/or where was that disclosed?

it would be interesting to know if the plane in the PAFI had a leak prior to using the candidate fuel. I mean why would you use a leaking plane

where was that disclosed by GAMI?

That is a very great question. And after GAMI answers it please also answer how does it stack again their marketing claims of "drop in"

what's your point? Tanks leak yes. do all our tanks decided to start leaking within a week of using G100UL? I doubt it.

we got this yesterday

borescope your tanks and sealant for damage, borescope your intake valves

good luck, let us know when you fill the tanks. I take your word for it and I will keep an eye on you...not pun intended.

you seem to believe I had a problem before I got the STC, log books stickers and placards. I did not. The repair job is underway, the outcome of that will be an invoice. the FAA investigation is underway, the outcome of that will be an EAD, an AD or nothing. When I have all the information and facts I will initiate a next step. That is a variety of options. I am keeping GAMI in the loop, in good faith, on a personal email with them and the shop. I have yet to see GAMI come over and take samples BTW. Their approach has been send us samples! You are all welcome to fly to KWVI and KRHV and fill up your tanks, but unless you do it. You are ultimately afraid that what some of us are experiencing will happen to you and that, only solidify that G100UL is not a drop in fuel and you are afraid you tanks will leak, your paint job will be ruined and more. Are you not?

well said.

Probably!! Left tank leaked, right tank did not.

I went and see the RV at KWVI. the plane is from 2007, the pilot side tank dumped fuel into the cockpit and down the belly of the plane. paint was damaged and some pieces of paint were on the floor. wet wings.

they forgot the other planes, RV, 421, M20F, M20Encore .

The stains left on my tie down from G100 2 from each sump valve, when I sump the fuel for water and then dump it. The one in the middle when I pull the ring from the gasclolator.

When I reached out to VITOL the answer was "work closely with GAMI"

Quick update: I was able to see my plane, the tanks, videos of the borescope of the cylinders. I was also able to see the cylinder, piston and push rod of the Grumman that nuked at Hollister. Because it's an active FAA investigation I am told to wait to post pics/videos until the FAA makes their decision as this is with DC now. Investigators came took pics, samples and actually put G100UL back into my plane and run it to collect oil sample...oof. To GAMI's defense they can't access samples either as per FAA request. The leaks are coming from the copilot aux tank, outboard seam and inboard seam. Also from 3 screws from an access panel on the pilot side main. The sealant is original from when Mooney built the aircraft and when the Aux tank were installed. On the outboard side it seems the fuel drains off the tank from a drain hole. Again, this aircraft did not have leaks and the magnitude of the current leak is pretty vast. I would have had blue stains of the same magnitude. Plane just completed annual in November we would have seen this if it was there. I used about 80 gallons of G100UL, 30 gallons, 30 gallons, 20 gallons, give or take: Refuel/Flight 1: 15 gallons in the Laux, 15 gallons in Raux, main(s) had about 20 gallons each of 100LL Refuel/Flight 2: 15 gallons in the Laux, 15 gallons in Raux, main(s) had a mix of 100LL/G100UL Refuel/Flight 3: 10 gallons in the Laux, 10 gallons in Raux, main(s) had a mostly if not all G100UL So the aux saw most of the G100UL and the main only at the very tail end. The RV and Grumman had the G100UL for several weeks before the former realized fuel on the floor and the Grumman Repairs have started already. I am also told some aircraft that had purchased G100UL, have now pulled the fuel out of their tanks so I don't believe many are purchasing the fuel (the latter is just my hypothesis). Additionally, the paint peeled from the inside out like it exploded I think pouring fuel over the paint does not reflect the dynamic of what is happening. Independently from any lab tests, what we are experiencing is as simple as, the tests performed were not representative of real world conditions and that is to nobody's fault, it happens with car manufacturers all the time, GAMI needs to step in now and make it right financially. Also, I keep hearing of testing about paint and O rings (which is great) but any testing on sealant? I agree with GAMI fuel belongs in the tanks....we can't keep it there tho so I want to see what testing what done on the tank sealant. More to come...

What do you make of the planes who had paint damage? As in the paint was stripped off

what did he polish it with?

I want to bring everyone back to there are 2 STC, one for the engine and one for the airframe. And, from the GAMI website is a "drop in" fuel. G100UL was sold, commercialized and marketed as drop in fuel. There is no escape from this, the damage is done. Now it's only matter to quantify how much and if it is with GAMI, VITOL or both. is that simple.

Quick Update: The FAA investigators are at KWVI and asked permission to collect samples from my plane (which I gave) those included oil. More to come