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  1. That's a great stop, home of world famous Buddy's drive inn steak fingers! Also the lowest fuel in west Texas.
  2. Thanks for the info bob. Let me ask another question - do you find about a 15/20 kt GS difference when heading into the wind as well as with the wind? Seems to me as I've observed on flight aware that if a guy flying a J plans for 155 kts and the wind is with him, it's not uncommon to see 165-175 kts across the ground. Which I've seen it the other way down to about 140 kts. Either way those are still great speeds considering the wind. I live in western tx where you need to be atleast above 9000 to get over the turbulence/cloud deck. But I don't have the desire to get up  past 12500/13000 and into the teens. I'll just fly around the weather typically if it becomes an issue. The ovation I rent definitely gets a 20kt addition or subtraction with the wind and into it depending on direction. 

    Thanks!

    Matt

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    2. Bob - S50

      Bob - S50

      Price.

      I put together a group of 4 pilots.  We each said how much money we were willing to spend (not all equal).  We then knew how much money we had.  We talked about what we wanted in a plane as a minimum.  We wanted an HSI, GPS, intercom, engine monitor, an accurate digital fuel gauge, and a minimum of a 950 lb useful load.  We knew that we would also have to pay a 6.5% 'use' (aka sales) tax to the state of Washington when registered it and kept that in mind.

      Then we started looking.  When we found a potential airplane we would compare the price and equipment and then estimate what it would cost to bring it up to our minimum.  We also decided we did not like the '77 because it had levers instead of push pull/vernier engine controls and the fuel selector valve was between the pilot's legs and was too hard for us old men to reach.

      We also formed an LLC and created and signed our rules agreement before we bought a plane.

      We ended up buying a GTN650, a used audio panel with built in 4 place intercomm, JPI EDM730 engine monitor with fuel flow, oil temp and oil pressure options, a used CDI that included a glideslope indicator (to connect to the existing KNS80), and an FL202 digital fuel gauge.  We pulled and sold the radar altimeter, audio panel, CDI that did not have a glideslope, ADF, and one nav/com.

      The FL202 has not been accurate because of the floats so that's a disappointment.  However, once they are available for our airplane (soon) we are buying the Cies magnetic floats and we should finally get an accurate fuel gauge.

    3. Tx_Aggie

      Tx_Aggie

      Wow what a great plan. I'd definitely like to go in at least half with someone. Better for both the pocketbook and keeping the mechanical parts of the plane greased and moving. Do you ever have any schedule conflicts? 4 partners seems like a lot of people, but I suppose everything is upfront in the LLC formation. Thanks for all the in-depth detail, I am eager to find someone local to grab a flight with and check it out. I agree on the lever controls, I like the twisting/verneir controls better - easier to make more precise adjustments. 

    4. Bob - S50

      Bob - S50

      We have been together about 3 1/2 years and no scheduling conflict so far.  However, one of us is the 'perfect' partner... pays his dues and literally never flies.  One still works for Alaska so he is gone about 10 -15 days/month and usually only flies once or twice/month.  However, he just joined Angel Flight West so he may start flying more.  That means only the perfect partner does not fly for Angel Flight.

      We use first come, first served scheduling.  That is, nobody ever has priority.  We keep a calendar on Yahoo.  If you want to fly, check the calendar to see if anyone has the plane reserved.  If not, and you want to fly today or tomorrow, reserve the plane on the calendar and send a text message to everybody else letting them know you did that.  If it is further down the road than tomorrow, send an email.  In either case, we have 7 days or until the day before (whichever comes first) to object if we were also planning on flying.  If nobody objects by then, the reservation is yours.  If somebody else was planning on flying the two parties try to work it out.  If they can't, whoever has the least future days reserved on the calendar gets the plane.  If it's a tie, we vote.  If that's a tie, we flip a coin.

      We charge ourselves $25/hour dry tach time to fly the plane.  That money goes into a reserve account to pay for future overhaul, magneto service, prop service, oil changes and other time related expenses.  If our non-reserve account has less than $5000 in it, we charge ourselves $250/month.  If it has at least $5000 we charge ourselves $200/month.  That pays for all non-hourly related expenses including upgrades.  For example we will be buying 4 Cies fuel floats with that money.

      We use tach time rather than Hobbs time because we want to encourage ourselves to properly warm the engine and not hurry to get airborne.  With a Hobbs, an hour on the ground costs the same as an hour in the air.  With tach time idling at 1000 RPM costs less than half of what it costs to be flying at 2500 RPM.  We use dry rather than wet time to discourage constant running of the engine at maximum power.  It also encourages running LOP which keeps the engine cleaner, cooler, and saves me money.  I'll gladly give up a few knots to save a lot of money.

      The hardest part is finding good partners.  I got lucky.  I didn't know any of them until we formed our group.

  3. It appears to me that the older J's have a higher useful load. Why is that?
  4. Great - and then what fuel burn rate do y'all plan for say at 10-12k, 50* ROP? I get about 14.5 in the Ovation. Typically plan on 4 hours of fuel for trips which leaves about 665 lbs +/- for people and bags. Just curious to see if the lesser fuel burn equates to equal or increased available useful load on other platforms. Any of y'all in the west Texas/ eastern New Mexico region (probably a long shot)?
  5. I posted a few months ago asking about performance and operating cost differences with the 231/252 and had a great discussion but this time around I'd like to ask about useful loads of each of these planes. I'm leaning more towards the 201/231 for budget reasons as others have recently mentioned. I know full well that no two, same model planes, are the same in UL. But I'd like to get a ballpark number for each. For reference, I'm still currently renting a 2000 Ovation 2 with a 1001 lb UL. Thanks and have a great weekend.
  6. I would guess it could be relatively easy to get the UL close to 1000 on J's by taking out the near obsolete adf's/old nav coms out and replacing with updated instruments/Garmins. Another thing to keep in mind with "large bodies" though is that the UL doesn't necessarily increase. The Ovation 2 I fly is set at 1001. My two cents
  7. My two cents - I think you're being a bit too cautious. Powerplants are similar and if anything the panel is easier to configure with electric gear/flaps/ Etc. However if you were moving from a C to and R or other long body/ larger power plant, it would be wise to bring a companion.
  8. Bennett - I agree with you, I fly a Mooney over a Bonanza primarily for the incredible speed and efficiency in performance. However my longest journeys at this point are about 400 NM (Western Texas to the Houston Texas area). The ability to stay in the air for 5-6 hrs @ 120-130 KTAS (sounds like the 172 I got my ppl in ..?) isn't very exciting for me. However I'd be interested to see your opinions on both your J and the 262 converted K. What altitudes do you see 160 ktas and what power settings in the J? I guess more importantly what speeds do you regularly see and plan for both heading to AZ and coming back? I currently rent an Ovation 2, plan for 180 kts. Heading to Houston at 11000' my GS is typically 200-220 kts, coming back at about 8000' I'm averaging ~160-167 kts into the wind, which is still pretty good! But if I were to buy, my budget would only allow for a decent J or Older K model. Thanks!
  9. This is from the Ovation 2 DX I fly, at 11,000'. Mine has the stock 2 blade. Nothing wrong with the 3 blade, other than negligible Prop noise and a boost in fuel consumption. I can't see what the benefit of the STC adds? Perhaps I'm a little partial however
  10. Great info Tom - I really appreciate it, all great points. Is the reachable 1600 hr TBO possible without a top overhaul? Do the cooling issues of the 231 cowling affect the Rocket design more or less as the cowling in the 252? Those are performance numbers that I really like. I understand it most likely comes at a certain cost, but then again if it's costs we're concerned about, should we really be flying? After looking through the listings, it's interesting to me that out of the available Rocket STC Mooney's, their costs are less than most 252's by atleast $10-15k. Thanks for the input. Now if you only lived in Texas, I might be able to find an excuse to check out your plane! Thanks again, Matt
  11. I don't know too much about the rocket conversion, what has 16 years convinced or taught you about it?! I'm interested to hear your thoughts. How does the bigger engine increase the useful load on the same sized airframe?? What fuel rates do you see at cruise/what altitudes do you prefer? thanks!
  12. Great, thanks for all the input. Sounds like the 252 refinements might be worth the extra $20k in list price atleast. As far as useful load, why wouldn't it be possible to get the increase in the 231 variant? Isn't it only a landing gear modification? I think I have right at 1000# in the Ovation. 850# is what I've seen in available 252's. Is the 231 similar to the stock 252?
  13. I do flight plan for 180 kts, however my home base (KMDD) is at about 3000' msl. It's sunny and hot in western Texas for more than half the year. To get above the turbulence requires being atleast at 10,000' unless you enjoy being tossed around like a rag doll. Most of my flying involves heading east to the hill country or to the gulf coast. Either way, west to east generally picks up atleast a 20kt tail wind. I eat it coming back, but even that's a relative term, 165 kts GS into the wind isn't anything to complain about, hence why I've come to love the power/aerodynamics in a Mooney!
  14. http://www.florisflightservices.com/aircraft-rental.html A friend of mine rents his out at KMDD. And no I haven't found the threads, can you send me the link? I appreciate it!
  15. Hi all - I'm new to the site. I'm curious to learn more about the 231 K with the LB engine and automatic wastegate/inter cooler mods. It seems like (from previous posts - I know the overall comparison has been beaten to death here before me) the 252 is more desirable than a modified 231. But can the modified 231 be piloted as efficient as a 252? I do see more modified 231 listings than 252's currently. My perspective is a bit different however from those looking to 'move up.' I currently rent an Ovation 2 in western Texas. I'm usually in the 10-12k altitudes where the Ovation has spoiled me with regular 200-230 Kt ground speeds. I enjoy flying fast! However I'm considering purchasing my own plane at some point in the future and the earlier K models seem to perform similarly at about 180 KTAS while the initial purchase price is half that of the Ovation. I'm an engineer so the more numbers the merrier, any thoughts? I appreciate it!
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