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Quote: edgargravel I thought all Bravo's had a head!?!?!?

Sometimes an off-field landing can be not too bad. My M20M did a gear-up in a snowy field back back in 2000 after it lost engine power. Repairs took a few months but certainly didn't exceed 50% of the total AC cost, and it flies beautifully ever since. Mind you, there's probably a difference between a pillowy snowy field and a rough grassy one...

Hi all, Ned, that's a great list - I stole a few of your points for my own checklist. Here's a few more points that you may like to include in yours: No-step areas outside the plane (i.e. on wing flaps, etc) Bathroom check (before they climb in)!! Sterile cockpit for Take-off and landing Take care! Devon

Thanks, Steve. The previous owner was using the plane as a charter/courrier service in his company called Aerotech. He sold N223KT because he's upgrading to something larger. Seems I'll have some painting ahead of me to get rid of all that, plus putting the new CA registration on it. See you around! Devon

Well, I finally got my FIKI Mooney!! Here's a couple of pictures of N223KT, my 1990 M20M from Arizona. Not only is it FIKI, but that turbo really pushes this plane through the teens and twenties. I just flew it back to Ontario, Canada yesterday and wow, what an improvement from my old J! At 13,000' we were averaging about 190 KTAS at 18 GPH - pretty sweet! The long body and extra takes a bit of getting used to - it takes a little more muscle to manoeuvre it, and it seems to sit back on landings - but I'm definitely sold on the Bravo! Now I'll have to wait for a week or so until the customs paperwork goes through. Once it does, the plane will be renamed to C-GDEV (named after me... Devon), and I'll be flying it all around Central and Eastern Canada. Knowing the weather around here, that TKS will probably get a good workout now and then. Thanks again to everyone that helped me out with all the advice and support! Devon

I started flying at 33 years old because of a dare, and it went from there... Started PPL - 3 April 2008 Finished PPL - 3 May 2008 First plane (M20J) - 24 May 2008 IFR - Feb 2009 Devon

I've read it twice now... What an amazing story! I certainly aspire to learn from your lessons in NY, and I'll be considering a lot of your recommendations in my own checklists. Thanks, so much Mike!

Keep it coming, boys, I am soaking this up like a sponge! Mike, I really appreciate all your experience with TKS and TC. Like Andy, I am really interested in hearing all those answers that were lost, like about landing with FIKI on and on the limitations of the system. Thanks so much for taking the time (twice). BTW, another really cool thing about importing a plane into Canada is that I get to rename it! So now I'm trying to think through various four-letter combinations that start with F or G... Of course, the wife has the veto, so I'm not allowed any dirty ones unfortunately... Devon

Andy, Yeah, that bravo is definitely an awesome plane if I can get the owner to come down a bit. Actually, I have already thrown him an offer, but he doesn't seem too enthusiastic about selling, so we'll have to see how that goes. I have my fingers crossed! Cheers!

Very interesting comments, Andy. I don't have any experience with TKS, so I'm really happy to benefit from yours! My only understanding about all this is based on discussions with my AME when I asked him if we could "FIKI-ize" a plane equipped only with inadvertant TKS. He consulted TKS on the issue, and he told me that it involved a lot more than adding a second pump or a heated stall-warning. It seems that the TKS panels themselves are in some way different, and I'd be looking at a $40k fee to do an upgrade. I'm sorry I don't have the specs, but I do trust my AME, who has been an authorized Mooney mechanic for a long time. I acknowledge that there are limits to what you can fly in, whether you have no de-icing, inadvertant, FIKI or a hot-wing. What scares me a bit is that I won't really know what the limits of the aircraft are until I'm actually doing an approach in them. So, chances are, I will be overly cautious until I figure out how it all works. But I do hope, with FIKI, that at least I'll be able to fly on those days when there's just a bit of light known icing from 2000-4000 ft with sunny skies above - which is pretty much 50% of the days of the winter around here. While I'm intrigued to hear that you say there is essentially no difference between inadvertant and FIKI, I'm still going to have to draw the line at FIKI, just because I know that's the answer my insurance company would like to hear. Perhaps when I have more experience, like you, then I'll be more flexible in my position on this. However, when I do finally get my plane, I'll be coming to get your comments about how I should and should not be using my TKS. Your insights are priceless! Thanks for the ad, Scott, but I'll have to hold out for FIKI unfortunately.

Agree with all comments about having a turbocharger - that is certainly my preference. However I would not want to discount any FIKI IO-550s that I know are out there. In Canadian winters, there is ice at all altitudes... However, with regards to FIKI vs inadvertant, I really do need FIKI. I could never bring myself to fly a non-FIKI into known icing, no matter how good my "chances" were. I do have my eye on a Bravo at All American, but it's listed at $189k, and really high engine times. The OH pushes this one out of my price range. I'm still hopeful that a Mooneyspacer may see this and sell me his plane! Thanks for you help everyone!

Thanks for the hints, all. Agreed that I'll most likely be looking at an early Bravo for my pricerange - and that suits me great. I will take a look at AOPA, thanks Jerry! And as much as I'd love to, Mike, your plane will never be within the realm of the possible - not so long as I'm living off a soldier's salary... In the meanwhile, spread the word! I am plane-less and it feels TERRIBLE....

Great post! The potential of this product is endless... if it's everything they say it is.