Grant_Waite

Yeah this one was quite tough. I just received my few parts from BAS that I needed. Still waiting for Lasar to get my gear new and old gear motor

Yeah, it drives me nuts trying to search for some of these parts with outdated numbers. Or no number at all.

I ordered 2 different types from AS last night. The one you sent me and another type. I figure a cable stop is a cable stop. And one from aircraft spruce should be just as good as what Mooney used right?

Looking to see if anyone knows where I can find this part? It’s listed as D222 Stop, Wire in the IPC. I can’t find anything when I look for the name. It’s number 43 on the landing gear actuator and emergency extension page. Here’s some better pictures I found in the service manual of what it looks like

My plane has been down since late June so I haven’t been using it. When I did use it, it was just as hot then as now and I was pleased with it for how much it cost. Not to mention there isn’t any alternative other than it for a portable solution. Everything else is a permanent fixture or semi permanent and cost a lot more. If I had a long body that I planned on keeping forever, I could see investing in the 30k A/C system as the only way to go. There’s no doubt it’s the only thing comparable to a cars A/C. I’ve yet to be in any plane with a true A/C so I’m just speaking of what I’ve read and heard. You can’t go wrong with the Eco Flow. It requires little modification and can easily be installed and removed. Not to mention the add on battery has plenty of power to run the unit for a good hour plus on max. I typically run mine for probably 35-45 minutes cumulatively each flight. It’s perfect for me, since I fly alone 97% of the time. It works with 2 people, I just swap the duct back and forth. 74° air feels great when it’s 145° on the black top and 100° ambient. I’d imagine that it would work even better in a less humid climate than here in Florida.

I’ve seen the kit on there list of retrofit parts but as you can guess that kit is long gone. So I’m getting the motor from Lasar and the parts from a salvage place in Tennessee

I’m looking to see if anyone would be willing to take some pictures of the their emergency gear extension install. I’m only looking for those that have the later version with the T handle pull, that’s behind the trim wheel. I would like to see under the plane, where the one pulley is and how the 2 cables are run through the floor and to the gear motor itself. I’ve looked at the IPC extensively, but would like to see how to it compares on the actual plane. Thanks!

That picture, is quite old. I stripped the paint around the selector and had the black valve painted red with a white stripe pointing to what tank I’m on. Still have yet to get the trim piece on. Any advice on how to get the holes drilled for the screws? I guess using some butcher paper and tracing it? I have a place near me that makes decals for aircraft and is the oem supplier for piper, making me all new decals for the plane. I’m thinking about having the auto upholstery shop near me, redo my seats and cushioning. The seats bottom out when I sit in it, and I don’t weigh all that much. It would only be 1000 per front seat and probably a little less for the back bench. I got a quote to redo the whole interior from an aircraft interior place and it was 22k. Yeah no thanks, not on this plane.

Thank you, for that informations. I was going over in my head all the stuff you mentioned as necessary items. Just need a drill brush, a lot of acetone, knee pads, and the will. I have to wait a while till I get my plane back. I did as you did, in the baggage compartment and rattle canned zinc phosphate primer. Not sure why they don’t come that way from the factory. Not sure if I’ll do the main cabin. I have my ac in the back so I didn’t want any chance of water causing corrosion. Here’s what my floor looks like. It’s a picture of something else with the floor in the back ground

Good to know! I was leaning towards doing nothing and just seeing how it works out. Right now I have nothing holding my carpet in place and it stays alright. I have mats over the carpet and those things stay great, because of the left over adhesive on the back of them. It was an absolute mess when I took them out. Should I really worry that much about cleaning the floor until it’s bare aluminum or just make sure all the old adhesive it gone? Not like one sees the floor when the carpet is down. I just want to clean the seat rails real good, since that’s all you see. I got them pretty clean from last time.

That’s exactly what I was planning on doing. I think the idea of having the foam backing to help with vibration and sound dampening.

I was thinking about just doing the hook and loop on the bottom. Snaps are quite the labor extensive thing aren’t they? I don’t disagree I think snaps are far superior and look good. Just not sure if I want to do it to this plane. It seems Airtex and SCS are the only 2 options for kits. I’d like to hear from people who have used both.

I’m thinking about getting the nylon carpet kit for my 77J while it’s down for maintenance. I ordered some samples but wanted to see what others have to say. Good quality final product, easy to install, fitment? How did you clean and get all the old gunk off the floor from the old stuff? I’ve already removed my existing carpet and cleaned it up some. But it could still use some love. I want ti get the floor like it’s bare aluminum just don’t know how yet. Also I’ve tried but didn’t get very far with removing the rear seat in my plane. It’s the one piece bench so I don’t how it comes out. I was possibly thinking about replacing all the old insulation with a kit from Soundex. Anyone have any experience with it?

The plane is not anywhere close to me, so I can’t go easily look at it. Hopefully the motor didn’t get all messed up but who knows. I’m sure this has happened to others before but I find it odd that it does happen. I guess nothing is fool proof. Hopefully Mcfarlane can make a new one. The one post stated it only cost 225 in 21 which isn’t bad.

Flew my plane to the mechanics yesterday, apparently the cable connecting the emergency gear crank to the back of the motor is destroyed. He said the gear must have actuated with it engaged. Not sure how the hell it happened. Could be vibration, my leg hit it just a little, not sure. It was doing it before the heat swing so I didn’t do it then. Just a fluke thing I suppose. So I’m going to see if McFarlane can make me a new emergency gear extension cable, since Dan at Lasar said they don’t exist new. Someone on here said they had one made by them in 21. I’m going to the motor to Lasar and have the 200hr ad done and look to see if anything got damaged. If it did, I’ll weigh the cost to fix it and if the parts are even available. If they aren’t I’m going to have Lasar build me an Eaton motor core than will work with my older style crank extension. That’s what the guy Lasar said he does.

This is correct information, our part numbers don’t match the ones in the AD. So does this mean our motors don’t suffer from the same gear tooth wear as described?

So I called Maxwell and the A&P, the previous owner used. They both said the identical thing. They don’t think it’s the motor because no circuit breaker is popping and the motor continues to run when the gear stops retracting. They said it’s possibly the rubber coupling that goes between the motor and transmission or the shock disc are too worn. The shock disc are 12 years old, so they could be an issue. I planned to replace this annual. Maxwell said that the dukes is a good motor and mine has had good maintenance. He also said they are in R&R of a solution to fix all this mess. That’s all the detail he’d give me on that. I’d rather pay 5k to remove, clean, paint, and put new hardware on the gear trusses than pay 11k for a new motor. Idk why but having the gear trusses look like crap really takes away from it looking nice.

Yeah, I wish I had the one piece belly. Right now I have the first 2 panels off. It seems that I would need the red latch, and trim for the Eaton emergency extension if I go that route. Not sure if either of those things are available to get. I want the meat down time possible but also don’t want to cheap out on anything either. I know how important the gear is so I don’t want to mess around. It’s great building all this retractable time but it comes at a cost.

The fact that it has to be removed every 200 hours is a huge turn off and pia for me. I’ve flown almost 200 hours in less than 6months but the cost of the Eatons are high. So I’m not sure what I’ll do. I’m definitely not throwing out the old motor. I would probably end up sending it to Lasar if I do go the Eaton route.

Sounds like they had a different issue than mine. I don’t have any circuit breaker popping or any issue with it being down and locked. I don’t. See how they could have taxied and took off if the one gear wasn’t locked. The planes are way too bouncy for something to not collapse. Considering the plane was taxied back after the gear swings, I feel it’s down and locked. My issue isn’t the gear down part, luckily. I don’t have anyone on field to do this work so, I’m sol.

It was indeed done on jacks with the panels off. So the speed was not something that could be causing it. The jackscrew was the last thing replaced on the motor in 2023 by the previous owner. It has definitely flown past the 200hr inspection but I have greased it twice now. It just seems like this motor is a very troublesome. I plan on flying it to the mechanic that the previous owner used with the gear down. He has all the tools and has rigged the gear before. So it’ll probably be 2hr or so flight with the gear down.

Not fast at all, I pull my gear up as soon as I get off the ground. I’d say I’m well below 90.

The gear will start to come up and then it stops. The motor still runs but sounds like it’s binding. The jackscrew will move and then it stops almost like it’s not getting enough power. No, the circuit breakers don’t pop but the gear unsafe light stays on until I select gear down. No, I didn’t raise the gear with the emergency extension. I know it’s only for down operation. The emergency extension had issues about 75 plus cranks into it. I would like to ditch the dukes motor if I can, even if it’s not per se the culprit. I know this motor will have more issues and I don’t want to play around with gear issues.

My gear motor is having issues in my 1977 M20J. It’s the Dukes 1057-00-5. I just got done greasing it using the aeroshell#7 with 10% molybdenum mix. It was having issues before I greased it. I did the grease while the panels were off. It won’t retract the gear all the way. It doesn’t happen every time either. Most times it doesn’t, but sometimes it does. I tried using the emergency gear extension and it would stop moving the gear about 75 plus cranks into it. I read that if the motor gears are bad, the emergency gear extension won’t work either, because it uses the gears in the motor to crank the gear down. Glad I didn’t find that one out in an actual emergency! The gear has never had an issue coming down luckily. I’m looking at replacing the whole motor and getting rid of the emergency gear crank, in favor of the later model Eaton motors. Lasar seems to be the only place that has yellow tagged ones listed. I need to call Monday to see if they have any available. The gear motor had a new jackscrew assembly installed in 23 by don maxwell. If anyone could give me insight on if the Eaton retrofit is possible and if which of these motors from Lasar are the correct one. I have a video of the gear but it won’t let me upload from my phone. I need to call Lasar and Maxwell on Monday. https://lasar.com/actuators

Looks fantastic!