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On 6/27/2023 at 3:43 PM, jetdriven said:

It's limited to 5 minutes above 200hp as well. 

If you aren't above the altitude where you're making more than 200HP in five minutes, you're doing it wrong.  

7 hours ago, Mcstealth said:

Good morning Bryan. An Mooney F model I'm looking at to buy has a 430w and a 530. Two G5's, ADS out only Garmin transponder, JPI monitor,  and an S-Tech 50 A/P.

What would be your recommendation to make this panel "more" modern?

Thanks

David

 

Can you PM me a a few pictures of the panel?

Thank you,

                 Bryan

12 hours ago, Steve0715 said:

@bmcconnahawhen I get ready to build a new panel, I’ll want to get your input and thoughts about any, after the fact, changes you would consider.

Sure, let me know when you're getting close.  Happy to chat via a phone call. 

On 12/19/2022 at 8:23 PM, Steve0715 said:

You want this….well, I sure want that panel.  Nice plane too..

From recently sold M20J by an MSer.

New owner loves it! It went to a good home.  He is quickly becoming a Mooniac! definitely miss the ol gal.  I will say I liked that set up in my J much more than the garmin perspective plus I am flying now.  

3 hours ago, PT20J said:

The yaw damper is not supposed to be an automatic rudder trim. It will keep the ball centered to coordinate turns and compensate for minor out of trim conditions. If you are significantly out of trim, as in a climb if you don’t have rudder trim(or have it but don’t use it), the yaw damper may not be able to center the ball. Even if it can, you are putting needless strain on the servo asking it to maintain a constant torque for a prolonged period. 

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I’ve read all the threads. I was being slightly sarcastic.  I’ve yet to see a GFC500 yaw damper that can keep the ball centered in all phases of flight.  Specifically climbing or descending.  

16 minutes ago, dzeleski said:

When my yaw damp is on I don’t have to touch a single peddle at any phase of flight. Even during climb or decent, the ball is always centered.

Dang, I must have not one, but two weak servos.  Lol 

The GFC500 that I had I my J had a yaw damper.  I found it nice, and would do it again, but, be realistic with expectations.  You’ll still need right right rudder in even a low angle cruise climb.  And still need a little left rudder in descent.  Now, I feel the Mooney is very stable, but the yaw damper is noticeable in turbulence, and I preferred to have it on.  All in all, I’d do it again.  

On 9/12/2022 at 10:38 AM, Ragsf15e said:

You can have a million posts debating the usefulness of the chute, but looking at the one hanging in the maintenance hangar where I get my annual brings a sense of the reality.  It saved the two people flying the airplane over rugged mountains in idaho when they lost the entire left bank of cylinders as the case came apart.  I love my Mooney, but wouldn’t hesitate to trade her for an airplane with a chute if one was in my price range.

Must be the one hanging in NW flight services? I saw that on the wall the other day when I was there doing some transition training back into an sr22.  

1 hour ago, Niko182 said:

Whats replacing it?

I can't say. I would like to remain a Mooneyspace member in good standing.  

Well, she is flying home with new new owner today.  Ill get the new owner logged into Mooneyspace soon!

Purchase order out and escrow being set up.  So, it’s pending for now.  Thanks for the interest.  I’ll change it back if it falls through.  

6 hours ago, Jesse Cohen said:

Lycoming IO-390 @ 210HP, making this a high-performance plane.

 

However, the standard for this model is an IO-360, and the FAA registration says IO-360, so it's also possible that there's just a typo in the title of the post.

It's an IO-390A3A6.  Done with the echelon STC from lycoming.  Only way to do it is from the factory

Mission is changing slightly, or maybe should say I refined it a little bit on what I need.  I am sure I will regret this, but here she is.  It’s been a multi year project, and i think it came out excellent.  Yes, its expensive.  I have more than asking into it, and most of what I installed was subject to extremely long wait times.  No expenses spared on upgrades.  

1990 M20J 2155TT. 210 since factory reman (installed in April of last year, has warranty remaining). 210 SNEW Hartzell Top Prop.  Annual just completed yesterday.   Logs continuous and complete.  No Damage history.  Asking 289k.  

Engine: all compressions above 78. Excellent oil analysis.  Latest with historical data is attached.  Lycoming IO-390. Installed with engine: new powder coated air forms baffles. New Knisley exhaust.  Surefly magneto on the left side.  Challenger air filter. Reiff TurboXP oil preheat. Hartzell lightweight starter. Plane power alternator.  Push button start, switched magnetos via electro air switch.  Full engine monitoring via the G3x with all data since engine install logged and avail for review.  Brand new tempest finewire plugs

Interior: 10/10. one year old.  Full executive package from Aero comfort (headliner, side panels, carpet, mats, seats, yokes). 10/10.  Glass 7/10

Airframe: paint 7/10.  Original.  Shows well, has been hangared, but is 30 plus years old.  Precise flight electric speed brakes, one year old. Whelen Orion wing tips strobes and navs.  Orion strobe/Nav tail light.  Whelen G3 landing/taxi light.  Wig wag function.  Rigging was gone through last year, and flys perfectly.  Straight and fast. Goodyear tires less than 1yr old.  2900 Gross weight increase. Over 1k usefull.

Panel: dual Garmin 10” G3X touch with engine monitoring and Cies fuel senders.  Garmin 750XI. Garmin GFC500 with electric trim and Yaw damper.  Garmin remote com (tuned via the G3x).  Garmin remote transponder (GTX345R).  Sirius XM radio and weather from a GDL52R, displayed on both G3x screens.  Landing height system (callouts from 200 AGL down, including a check landing gear annunciation)

N1073U-220831.pdf

23 hours ago, M20Doc said:

Firing the individual A&P seems harsh, when the supervisor escapes unscathed.  

Wasn’t fired because I called, and I wouldn’t have wanted that.  I was just calling to let them know that somehow half my prop was greased with the wrong grease.  Apparently he had a habit of making mistakes and covering them up. No idea, didn’t push any further.  Just wanted to let him know of my overall dissatisfaction with the whole visit.  Sent me out the door at 5pm (my fault, weather delayed my arrival) and the plane had an issue with a mag that required an overnight stay. At my expense.  Also, something was zip tied too close to the control shafts under the panel, and it was interfering with pitch control, and then finding half my prop greased incorrectly.  Not a great first annual at a MSC.  

On 10/28/2022 at 4:58 PM, M20Doc said:

No one shop or person is perfect.  A long time Mooney shop is no guarantee of success if the owners aren’t circulating on the shop floor teaching  and inspecting the work going on.  Reputation only gets you so far.

That’s 100 percent accurate. A well known MSC greased a brand new prop with aeroshell 6, when the sticker clearly says Nyco.  one side only.  I can only assume they saw what they were doing and fixed it for the other half, since the 6 was confined to one blade only.    I had the prop at the prop shop anyways for something else, and i had them service and reseal it, that’s when it was discovered.  The lead IA says he had no knowledge of this, and the guy who worked on my plane had been fired already for a similar instance.  So, unless the right person is supervising all work, a MSC badge, and reputation only get you so far.  

Does the installation of a GFC500 affect the rocket installation at all? If there are no changes between a K and a rocket modified K with the autopilot installation i would have them install it and move on with my day.  

On 9/21/2022 at 10:31 AM, Skates97 said:

It's at ArtCraft, dropped it off Saturday morning. They have been professional and a pleasure to deal with starting with the first email inquiring about a price. They took me on a tour of their facility when I dropped it off, very nice operation. Their design guy was great to work with on the paint scheme taking my ideas and turning them into a reality.

Their base price was about 40% higher than another local shop but I've seen a number of planes from the other shop and from ArtCraft and the quality appears to be much higher from ArtCraft. From the estimate (we'll see what it is in reality) they are talking a 30 day turn around as opposed to 6-8 weeks from the other shop. Also, they were able to get me on the schedule and in the shop within a month of the first inquiry, the other shop was scheduling out in next March. They paint on average 13-15 planes, a big operation.

Add everything together and the additional cost made sense to me. This is probably the only time I will get it painted. "Buy the best and cry once"

I'm most likely heading to art craft as well.  

Another very satisfied Mountain High O2D2 user.  Spend lots of time in the teens.  I initially probably wouldn’t have spent the money on one, but I inherited one that was in my Cirrus when I bought it.  Now, I would never not have one.  Also, their cannulas that are for the o2d2 system are very nice.  

2 hours ago, Shadrach said:

This happened to me many years ago. Mechanic kept pumping until he saw fresh grease. I started to get grease on the windshield within a few minutes of the first post annual run up. Seals likely herniated the first time I cycled the prop. My Prop shop reasealed it gratis as it was just overhauled the year before. I picked the prop up myself and Randy (RIP), the manager at East Coast Propeller gave me a full tour of the shop and a detailed explanation of what had happened. He also gave me a copy of an article from AMT Magazine (IIRC) about over servicing aluminum Hartzells. I gave the article to the IA who serviced the prop. He was initially defensive but was less so after a reasoned discussion (still think of him as a good option for mx). 

Well, I'm hopefully going to get it off jacks tomorrow after I check the gear door rigging and do a run up.  If not, in the next day or two after that.  Mine didn’t seem to have much grease in it from the factory, and there was quite a bit of air that came out when I took the plug out of one side.  I assume I’ll know rather quickly if the prop cycle is sluggish and if there is grease on the windshield? 

1 hour ago, A64Pilot said:

The common practice of keep pumping until it comes out the other side IS the correct procedure for the larger turbine props, I would always pump until I got fresh grease out, took 15 or 20 pumps sometimes but I wanted to flush out all the old grease. Sometimes you would have to pump several pumps before it started coming out the other side.

However it is NOT correct for our smaller piston props and you can overfill the hub, often the symptom of overfilled is a prop that’s slow to cycle.

Make sure whoever is doing it that you don’t flush these little props.

Mine was "flushed" this year on accident.  Issue with the grease gun.  Ended up with more grease in it than I wanted.   Have not flown it since, still finishing the annual.  Hopefully it's no big deal, but I should probably be prepared to have it pulled off and cleaned out  year old  two blade top prop 

2 minutes ago, 1980Mooney said:

 

 

Tornado Alley is GAMI - Braley and Roehl.  Those guys are "the sharpest tools in the shed" - if there was a cost effective way 

agreed.  i had an IO550 with a TAT system on it.  it was so balanced... ran 75LOP everywhere in cruise at 14.7 GPH.  i was a fan.  

5 minutes ago, 1980Mooney said:

"What Mooney needs to do is disassemble the airframe just enough to warrant removing the data plate.  the data plate off the air frame. Then they could just “zero time” the factory rebuilt airframe when it’s reassembled."

• And you have just highlighted why that will never happen.  "Zero time" and "new data plate" means the 18 year General Aviation liability clock starts over.  Mooney Corp would be subject to liability on planes that are roughly 40+ (or 50+ if your idea includes early Mid bodies) until they are roughly 60-70 years old.  

i wish they did what i wanted.  two door airplanes sold as prepunched kits someone could assemble on their own, experimental.  

57 minutes ago, KSMooniac said:

Did they update that system to the 390?  It was originally done for the IO-360-A3B6D (same as most J's), and I don't believe they've sold many.  15 years ago I inquired about them porting it over to the M20J and they were not interested since we're known collectively as a group of cheap bastards.    That is close to the truth... The M20 Turbos STC kit sold less than ~35 units I believe, and that was over 15 years before they folded.  There is not a lot of demand, unfortunately.  It is a transformational upgrade, though, and sooner or later I'll install one on my J.

they did.  i would buy it tomorrow if it was available for the J 360/390.  

9 minutes ago, Shadrach said:

Indeed, A lightweight K would be close to ideal, though I would prefer a TN set up to a boosted engine.  

tornado ally sells a turbonormalized setup for a 390 in a cessna cardinal, i could only imagine that setup on a J after reading what it did on a cardinal.  

8 minutes ago, cliffy said:

These discussions have always intrigued me  here on MS

In reality what we have here is trying to resurrect a legacy aircraft line 

What we have are hard limitations to same

We also have a diminishing fleet of Mooneys due to losing several each week to sliding on its belly or smoking holes

Think about this for a minute- we have an airframe design that is basically 60 YEARS old!

Who of us is still driving a 1964 Chevy or even a 1980 Chevy? Who is asking Chevy to resurrect those "airframes"

The design is also frozen by the TC 

In order to change the TC it takes A LOT OF MONEY! Just look at what the process was for just adding a door!

I was there in Fredricksburg when they debuted the door and in talking to them they said it was way more work than they estimated

And that was just for a door! And that was the factory doing it!

We all love our esoteric world of Mooneys BUT the market just isn't there The costs involved bring most of the "mods"

into plastic airplane range and like it or not they have a parachute. THAT item DOES sell airplanes.  

What we are is a niche group of airplane owners trying to hang onto an antique airplane line as long as possible before we are dragged 

kicking and screaming into the 21st century in what we like for air transportation and we have to give up on the Model T we love. 

I have some other Mooney thoughts which I will start a new thread on.

that hurts to see our airplanes and antique in the same paragraph, LOL