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It has not sold yet. I will gladly accept 40k for it if I am convinced the buyer knows what they are getting themselves into logistically and financially.

I would be open to a deal like the one you describe. It's a bit silly having it Pennsylvania. I wonder if I could get a ferry permit to bring it to Boulder? I suspect I could do an annual a lot cheaper if the plane was parked minutes from my apt.

The reason it's OK is that I've used my financial resources to be able to work for myself over the last four years laying the foundations of a company. Now it's the make or break moment for the company, cash is the absolute most valuable thing for me, and the amount of money we're talking about losing on this sale barely registers when compared with the returns I could see by succeeding with a software startup (a venture on which I have already bet a much greater amount of money). My hope is that this situation can be to the benefit of someone in the Mooney community who is willing to risk getting sucked into a project.

Even were it my best option to sink some money in, I literally don't have the money to sink in. I have to sell it even if I get taken to the cleaner's, and that's OK with me. Let's say I were willing to lower the price to 40k. Would there be any interest?

As I say I'm motivated as a seller so if you're correct I'm willing to find the market on the price. Since I need the money I will still be looking for what I would consider a good offer, but maybe I need to think more carefully about who this might be a good deal for (and how to make it a good deal).

Oh and I was once informed by a (female) coworker that it needs to be named Trudy because it is "just the right amount of slutty." I'm not too sentimental about these sorts of things, but even I have to admit that the name has stuck. She's always gotten me back down when we go up, Trudy!

Does the price seem reasonable? I don't really plan to get sharked -- I know this plane has one of the most thoughtfully designed panels out there including many features that have the potential to be life-saving (or pride-saving) in certain circumstances, and I hope the price I am asking is reasonable enough to attract serious buyers. I don't know if any have done it after me, but I know I was the first EI customer to get the CGR-30C and configure it with only one arc gauge allowing it to be a drop-in replacement for the tachometer that also completely eliminates the need for the standard six-pack cluster gauge (while gaining fuel flow monitoring, a great caution and warning system, and digitally calibrated fuel levels that are precise in cruise). The shop that did the install couldn't find a place to install the data processing unit for the system and wanted to hang it somewhere below the bottom of the panel, but I helped them figure out how to put it at the top of the avionics bay where it's both out of the way and easily accessible for maintenance due to the luxury of having top access to the avionics. They designed and fabricated custom mounting bracket so it would fit at an angle like it needed to! It has the charm of steam gauges mixed with the power of modern digital systems

I've put up a classified now. I'm still digging up more and more accurate info from the logs. I certainly think that it is a nice airplane; it deserves to be flying! Not only do I not have the money to spend but I need the money I have invested in it, making me a motivated seller. I got a great price on this plane -- I bought it with a nearly brand new engine overhaul the sticker price of which was probably nearly 2/3 of what I payed for the plane. Whoever gets it next needs to be ready for the cost of an overhaul, but I hope they also feel like the price I'm offering is a good deal that can be the start of a great relationship for someone who wants to spend their time and money taking care of this amazing old plane.

https://photos.google.com/album/AF1QipMDSosdvyvNGhgs0g3V2NmbpQemj_TTyppz-Qchttps://photos.app.goo.gl/NrzuR5r1busGYakYA Has that legendary J-bar ka-chunk. Learn to do the "Mooney wave" as you depart! ~1700 hours since major overhaul performed in 2012 by Mena Aircraft Engines. The bad stuff: Out of annual, last flew May 2022. Birds known to be nesting in the tail. Was flying irregularly before that. One of the exhaust headers fell off last time I flew it. This was repaired, but it has sat since then. The interior is honestly pretty ugly. The flight history since the ADSB system was installed is fairly accurately tracked on FlightAware. Though I don't pay for access to that full history you could. Excellent avionics stack. Retains the six pack instruments which make it cool and give you the high-resolution, immediate feedback that you want when flying a plane that demands such precise input. GTX 345 brings you all the benefits of ADS-B, and the IFD440 gives you certified display of all kinds of great information. The center-of-panel location of the C/E radio stack means the unit is at your fingertips and easy to see all the time. The cluster gauge, a notoriously finnicky and difficult to source part on these old planes (that can put a serious dent in your dispatch rate per the TOMATO FLAMES) has been replaced with a highly reliable CGR-30C, which also includes fuel flow monitoring. An EDM700 offers the four cylinder EGT readouts you need to run comfortably lean or rich of peak. The CGR-30C also brings you a YELLOW/RED caution and warning system for the engine with the alarms front and center on the left side panel. The fuel levels on this gauge have been custom calibrated to this plane's tanks, and are highly accurate. Low fuel on one side is expressed as a caution -- a useful reminder that it's time to change tanks! IFD440 provides terrain and traffic awareness with auditory callouts. Copilot side panel ready for a makeover, and I have an aluminum blank for a new right side panel that you can have. It seems logical to organize the haphazardly placed breakers, move the vac indicator to the pilot side, and replace the aging EDM-700 with a CGR-30P (which can use the same data processing unit already installed for the CGR30C). At the same time it should be possible to clear a good amount of panel space for a RAM mount for a tablet. While the plane has been operating under VFR it would be relatively easy to re-certify for IFR Positive Control system with custom shutoff switch. Originally these planes had the PC system disconnect in the yoke where it was a pain to hold down with your left thumb if you wanted to fly the plain without the need to overpower the wing leveler. Moving it to a switch on the panel also leaves you with your PTT on the yoke for easy calling. No altitude component. This system is no longer supported by any functioning company. Fortunately it's a dirt simple design, and it may even be possible to support in the future through the rules that allow creation of custom parts when no certified alternatives are available. Has the rear stub spar doubler kit installed, which I am told reinforces the flap extension system to be exactly as strong as the system used on models for which the maximum flap speed is 120 mph. The plane's capabilities are not enhanced on paper, but the margin for safety is significantly improved (a definite win since it's particularly hard to get these planes down to 100mph without flaps (and easy to get over 100mph even with the flaps down)) 3-blade Hartzell Top Prop and PowerFlow exhaust (installed by previous owner). Excellent rebuilt doghouse done with engine overhaul. Some damage history prior to my ownership, apparently repaired satisfactorily. Not always hangared, and lived at KOAK for many years. Was sprayed internally with ACF-50 and maintained by LASAR during this "no expenses spared" period of its life (well, none aside hangarage). I do not have the aircraft near me but will arrange for more pictures. I do have the log books near me, and I will start organizing the information in there and presenting it digitally. Price $40k. Located KSEG. Happy to answer any questions. I helped do the annuals for many years.

Informal and entirely-too-honest listing of features: - IFD440 with GTX345 for ADS-B out on 1090 with ADS-B in both on 1090 and 978 - Sealed tanks, never known to leak aside from when the quickdrain needed replacing - Birds living in the tailcone - Rear stub spar doubler kit installed - Comes with RHS aluminum panel blank (no holes cut), some spare tractor headlights, and an old dead KX155 for parts. - CGR30P with fuel flow. Custom mounting solution implemented for the processing unit to keep it out of the passenger's legroom - Who the hell glued carpet to all the plastic interior panels, really - Step retracts for maximum step envy in those around you. Please no buyers who want to replace the 6-pack with Aspen hardware and take out the vacuum pump - "Positive Control" wing leveler was working last I knew, and has been maintained well beyond the end of its service life by kindly retired Brittain technicians - Actually all the carpet needs to go, especially the stuff that used to be attached to the floor. If you could ever imagine getting to the material attached to the inside of the firewall, you would clearly wish to replace it - Has way too much amp load if you need pitot heat in addition to everything else. LED lights would help greatly. - The tires have kevlar in them or something - How many type certificates do you know that list 0 unusable fuel? - Full guppy mode no speed mods. You'd really want a new windshield at some point in the nearish future I think - Powerflow exhaust and 3 blade Hartzell Top Prop - Flush-mounted rivets on the wing tops for an extra .25 mph and a serious bump in sex appeal - Engine preheater - A strange gremlin causes alarming momentary spikes in the amperage readings when the transponder goes from being in a radar shadow to issuing its first transponse. Looks wild on the recorded data logs, but doesn't appear to harm anything. This issue has persisted through multiple transponders and alternators. - The magnetic compass is calibrated both correctly and legally and proper calibration card is present - Logs since the first test flight at the end of 1964 Price undecided. Out of annual. The plane is at KSEG currently which is not where I am.

I have neither the time nor the money to take care of 79338 at the moment. I will make a proper classified here with all the info as soon as my supporter status goes through!

@jamesmI like your setup! Looks very clean. The only thing I'd point out is that those annunciator lights are supposed to be on the pilot side. The 30-P and 30-C displays will have red numbers and other visual indications of out-of-range readings if you happen to be looking over there. I find that's not always true. For example once established in cruise sometimes other things take my attention completely away from the engine monitor for an extended period. Also in certain critical phases of flight you may not be watching the monitor closely. It's only because I have my annunciator front and center on the pilot side that I know that I sometimes experience load spikes that risk popping the alternator circuit breaker during taxi or potentially takeoff.

Just realized that I can install an CGR-30P without getting a new Engine Data Converter. I can't find a price without an EDC listed anywhere, but hopefully it'd be a significant savings, especially in install cost. It was a real pain to find a good spot to mount that thing, and required fabrication of a custom mounting bracket. That would leave me some empty panel space down where the original cluster gauge was. What would be useful in that space I wonder? If I could I'd put J style flap and trim indicators there. Flaps aren't a big deal since I can just look out the window, but I'd love to see what my trim setting is without looking at my ankles.

Well whatever you do, take care... and get yourself some flaps back!

I'm glad I can provide entertainment. At the moment I seem to have money to spend and nothing to spend it on... @gsxrpilot Interesting suggestion RE audio. I'll think about that one. If I don't choose that option quite yet I could still run the aux input cable over the top of the panel instead of through in order to, as you say, avoid drilling holes which may become useless. The dual CGR setup would likewise be interesting. By condensing another two copilot instruments into once spot I'd open up another space. Not sure if there's anything I'd want to put there though. At the moment I think I want to prioritize upgrades though. High priority are LED landing and wingtip lights, because with all these digital goodies I'm quite close to the alternator's load limit at times, and that's without doing any flying that would require pitot heat. After that comes work on the interior which is, at present, a bit ratty.

I think the tablet mount should be one of these. That way I can drill the standard AMPS holes into the panel (for addl. future proofing). It's not very thick, but hopefully just thick enough to get the minor amount of pilot-facing tilt I'd want.

Haha thanks @carusoam. I should look into that. Not sure I need it though since this part is already milled to specs. What old mechanical gauge? The CGR-30C is a certified replacement for the original cluster gauge. The JPI bar graph gives me all four CHTs and EGTs. New switches would be a good idea if I'm replacing that plate already. Some of mine have gotten rather floppy. I like the idea of some lighting, although it would be more useful I think to illuminate the lettering around the switches. Afaik on the big iron they do that by mounting in plexiglass, which they matte coat and then CNC mill the letters into. However, assuming that is not practical, there are some very attractive designs available here. (EDIT: oh right, not dipole, no good) I could just find a very small LED strip to mount down there and paint the letters in white. I think USB A is a safe bet. You wouldn't want anything smaller (read: less sturdy). USB A to C cables will be produced for a very, very long time yet. I chose a USB-C tablet since micro-usb is so notoriously easy to damage. Will definitely leave some extra CB holes I don't plan to get rid of the six pack or vacuum pump. Call it nostalgia, but I love those analog instruments. It's any number of things for me - non-digital technology, their subtle and smooth movements, and just the elegant pattern of the layout. Also I need to to keep the stair functional.

I think it may make sense to move the USB power over to the right of the tablet so that there would be the option of replacing the smaller JPI with a full size instrument if I or someone else desires it in the future.

Well, I'm shut up at home without much to do. Fortunately, in a moment of inspiration, I bought an aluminum copilot panel blank last time I was at LASAR. My current copilot panel is a mess of chopped up plastic and holes made for things that are not longer present. While I can't have the panel machined yet, I can decide where I want everything to go. Here's what I'm thinking about: First, out with the GPSmap 496. It was great back when it was the only device in the cockpit with full color, WAAS, and terrain alerting, but now the IFD440 has taken over those responsibilities. My plan is to toss in a Galaxy Tab A 8.4", mounted above the copilot yoke and tilted (or tilt-able) for optimal viewing from the pilot seat. It would run Droid EFB, connected via Bluetooth to the IFD 440, hopefully giving it access to the certified WAAS position source and ADS-B products, as relayed by the GTX 345. As I understand I can legally do a semipermanent mounting fixture for the device, so long as the device is easy to remove from that fixture. I'd like to take out the cigarette lighter 12v power source. I wonder if that would be a certification challenge. I'd replace it with TSOd USB charging ports. I'd optimize the placement of some more important instrumentation, including moving suction pilot side top center. I'd really like to move the circuit breakers up onto the panel where there's enough space for them all, hopefully resulting in a setup similar to what you might see on a J. This is another major worry in this little project, because that gold strip seems like it would be very tricky to extricate from the engine controls. I don't know, I still really dislike the idea of just leaving it full of circuit breaker sized holes, and it's already quite a mess, with peeling lacquer and lots of taped over labels. I want to get a proper panel mount minijack audio input to the intercom. It supports aux, but there needs to be a resistor in that circuit somewhere. A normal minijack outputs way too much power, and when you use minimum volume you just end up with awful signal to noise ratio. Another tricky thing, I'd love to move the rheostat for the cabin lighting to the panel, and supplement it with a dim bus control for my avionics that support it. I suspect this is the kind of change for which I'd be getting to know my local FSDO though... Has anyone done it? Anyway, here's what I have and what I've laid out so far. The best copilot panel shot is from before I redid the center stack.

We befit from doing something that harms other people. I don't see how trying to avoid the ethical quandry makes anyone a chump. Certainly it would be important to ensure that the money goes where it's supposed to, but it's silly to say that money can't help slow or stop climate change. As to 201MK's response, I find it rather cynical. We're all here because we think that flying is worth the costs, which are high. To take the most simplistic view possible, if we ran the earth out of fossil fuels what do you think we'll put in our engines? But at that point the sea levels will have risen so many feet that I think many of us will have bigger problems.

I was just thinking to myself about the environmental impacts of my aviation activities, and I ended up writing a post over on FlightAware's forums. In short, I think it would be really cool if there were a way to automatically make carbon offset donations when you fly, and also to show off those donations publicly or as forum flair. If this sounds interesting, here's the link to what I wrote: https://discussions.flightaware.com/t/ga-green-flights/57492. If it gets some activity, maybe the right people will see and consider it! Does this sound like the sort of thing people here might want or use?

I’m going to continue to investigate. The battery still seems to read low, but the behavior has gotten markedly better since I flew the plane to Denver and then today to Waterloo Regional in Iowa, so I’m pretty sure there’s some battery involvement. I’ll hopefully be rolling into Vintage camping tomorrow morning. Seems like perhaps I could have made it in tonight, but unfortunately the text message updates failed to include the fact that Vintage camping opened at 6:30 today. Looking forward to meeting some more Mooneys and associated pilots at Wittman!

Thanks for your help!

It started! I didn’t whack it or anything. I have no idea what was or is going on. I’m gonna buy a new starter at OSH.

Yeah low battery would seem to me enough to spin the prop a little. A tiny bit. I’m seeing no movement at all.