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Thanks for the info. I would say that based on what you've written most "overhauled" engines are technically not really overhauled but just "major repaired" because no aircraft owner "recertifies" his engine gauges every year. Does the factory run in suffice for the rebuilt engines to be considered actually "0" time or does the engine have to be broken in per the overhaul manual also?

My thought is to keep what I have for now. It's working great and was overhauled in May 2017. I got a quote from Hartzell today and the two blade came in north of 11k but they were willing to give me a 'generous' credit of 500 bucks for my existing prop which I could sell for probably 4-5k at least. So I'm staying the course for now. Thanks for all the great input.

I'm in the process of ordering accessories for my 62 M20C. The factory rebuilt engine has been ordered. I have a 2 blade Hartzell prop with the B hub now which was overhauled in 2017. I was thinking of either ordering the Hartzell Scimitar 2 blade or the Macauley C424 three blade. If any list members have any experiences with either on their C models I'd really appreciate hearing about them. Thanks.....

DMM Can you tell me the model number of the Plane Power Alternator you had installed?

I appreciate your input very much. However I can't reconcile your statement that a crank ground to service limits would be considered "new" when the quoted description under the "rebuilt" definition states: "(s)ome parts may be used, but they meet the same specifications as a new part." Aren't the specifications for a new part the dimensions of the part when it is manufactured?

I got second, fourth and fifth and more opinions. Most recommended going with the rebuilt. I think only two at most said they would take a shot with the overhaul.

The present engine is the original engine on my 62C. According to the logs it was overhauled and 872 hours since new in 1967 then again in 2000 by Pine Mountain. At the time of the second overhaul we replaced the cam, lifters and cylinders with new. Because of corrosion the rods were replaced with serviceable. The crank which was still new limits and had extensive corrosion. We thought it was going to be rejected but there was enough meat on it to grind it down to .10 mains and .06 rods which I believe is now service limits. The case was also milled by Divco. Knowing the history of the 2000 overhaul we discussed overhauling it one more time and assuming the crank and case were still good, with new cylinders and cam and lifters probably looking at around 22k. Of course a serviceable crank would add around another 3-4k and a case much more. We discussed the pros and cons of rebuilt v. field overhaul and he told me with rebuilt you get all new or new limits parts, the heavier wide deck case and roller tappets which only the factory can install. The con of course is the price which in my case was 29,500. If I waited until after the first of the year the price would be around 31k since Lycoming raises their prices about 5% a year. I'm also going to upgrade to a Plane Power (Hartzell) alternator and SkyTec starter, (only NEW Lycoming engines come with the starter.). In addition I get a zero time logbook, 2 year warranty and the TBO is now 2200 instead of 2000. So balancing all these factors we felt the extra expense was well worth it.

I believe you are correct. I'm purchasing a rebuilt engine with a Zero Time since rebuilt logbook. Thanks for the information and for correcting me. Was yours a rebuilt or a factory overhaul or something else?

Factory NEW and Remanufactured I think are the only options now from Lycoming. New is obviously that....NEW. Factory Remanufactured are built up to NEW service limits and can use both new parts and parts that are used but are still dimensioned to NEW limits not undersized. At least that's my understanding of the process.

Wow! I thought Factory Remans were rebuilt to NEW limits not to service limits. Obviously if that's not what you got since you've got both an undersized case and crank you should contact Lycoming. That's not good business on their part since you didn't get what you paid for which should have been a factory remanufactured engine built to new limits. Thanks for the heads up though.... Sorry for your trouble.

Thank you for your response. The subject of this thread is an O-360-A1D Reman. As you know a remanufactured engine is not an overhaul.

Well I plunked down the 6000.00 deposit and signed the contract with AirPower for the factory reman. My core is a narrow deck that's been running fine and has 2300 SMOH which I had done by Pine Mountain in 2000. I was considering another overhaul with Pine Mountain but John at Pine Mountain actually advised against it and to go the factory reman route. The price delta is about 7k and I'll be adding a SkyTec starter along with the Plane Power (Hartzell) generator to alternator conversion. I'd like to hear from any list members that have experience with Lycoming Factory remans involving my engine model along with those who have experiences with the SkyTec starters and/or the Plane Power conversion. Thanks and Happy New Year!!!!

62 C model. Purchasing a factory reman from Lycoming and switching from generator to alternator. Probably going to go with Plane Power/Hartzell but need to know whether Plane Power is a Prestolite or Chrysler style of alternator for the engine order. Any help with this would be appreciated. Thanks, Mitch Berger

Lycoming does not manufacture or "remanufacture" the narrow deck O-360 anymore only the wide deck. I'd have to get my existing engine field overhauled to retain the narrow deck platform. Narrow deck cylinders are still manufactured.

The IO's aren't listed on the TCDS so I'd need an STC for the M20C engine and airframe. LASAR has STC for 750.00 but would require engine baffling etc, etc..... Wouldn't appear to be economical for this application. Don't know of the existence of any other STC's for engines applicable to this airframe..... View fullsize 200 HP Conversion (M20C, M20D, M20G, M20E&F; STC Authorization Only, No Parts Included) No. 127 Speed Increase STC & Instructions ONLY Labor Hours 4.0 mph $750.00 80+ Description Retrofits the 200 hp Lycoming IO-360-XXX engine to the M20 C, D, & G model 180 HP Mooney. This STC also allows other 200 HP Lycoming Engine model options for the M20E & F, including the IO-360A1B6, as well as Hartzell and McCauley propeller options. Kit contains instructions & STC only.