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15k$ I heard, installed. Don't quote me.

Wow! That's steep. Now with @Jake@BevanAviation's help I am 90% sure it's the trim servo KS179 (P/N 65-0052-04), I will talk to the avionics shop here in Midden-Zeeland (EHMZ). They are good, but VERY busy and not too customer-oriented. I'll share my journey here.

Latest update: started the test and found that the KC295 is connected to a KS179, not a KS272. If someone could point me to the right installation manual, that would be wonderful. Blue skies!

Thanks, found the right one now and have made a little test plan based on the schematics in the IM. Will report to when I will have had time to hook up the multimeter KS272 pin action J,H contact GND N +14V D check +14V for trim down P check +14V for trim up A check +14V if electric trim is ON C contact KC295 P2951/N R contact KC295 P2952/N, should have no command if KS272/F is open K contact KC295 P2952/F should have no command if JS272/L is open F contact KC295 P2952/T L contact KC295 P2952/d_ E contact KC295 P2952/y_

Hi @Jake@BevanAviation, couple of clarification questions: * the IM you are referring to is this the one at the link below, correct? * I find the connector of the flight computer to the pitch trim servo on page 130. In it, the main command and return lines appear to be "TRIM SERVO CMD +" and "TRIM SERVO CMD REFERENCE" (screen shot below). * I assume the check is to measure the DC voltage on "TRIM SERVO CMD +" on the flight computer side, correct? * I do not see a line that indicates the servo micro-switch. How can I test the command for a closed micro switch? Wouldn't that mean the computer must be connected to the servo? I'm sorry if the questions are overly stupid. Thanks for any help you can offer. Blue skies, Markus

Thanks, I‘ll try that and report here Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

OK, I'll try and share how it went. It's rather a part of the diagnosis than a standard operating procedure. While I have your attention @Jake@BevanAviation, my preliminary conclusion given the observation * electric trim works w/o AP * AP works w/o electric trim * AP passes PFT * FD works w electric trim * Pitch trim runs away pitch-down with AP enabled in any mode is that the issue is still the KC 295, not the trim servo. Would you agree? Thanks in advance for any guidance you can provide.

Latest update: still scratching my head. Based on the suspicion of water in the static line and/or the pressure transducer board, I took the KC 295 out, pulled the transducer board and inspected: no water. To be on the safe side, I put the board in the oven at 50degC for an hour and blew warm, dry air through the static lines. I put everything back together - no change. I tested again and found that the trim-down runaway occurs also without the altitude hold mode. The electric trim works without the autopilot. Next sep: test-fly autopilot with electric trim off. Any ideas to solve this mystery are welcome. Blue skies! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Thanks, I'll try that.

Please excuse my ignorance. The transducer board is inside the FC 295, correct?

Good to know. I‘ll continue to investigate and have the avionics shop have a look at it. I‘ll report here. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I‘lll test that - thanks. Question: wouldn’t a failed transducer board show up as a failed self-test? When push the test button, I get all 5 beeps. Blue skies, Markus Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Thanks for your thoughts. I had very small and erratic as in non-periodic pitch excursions before, but so small that I ignored them. I was thinking perhaps the static line to the KC 295 broke. Would that be a possibility? I go check after Easter and post here if I find anything. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Hi fellow Mooniacs, happened to me yesterday: When switching the KAP 200 autopilot to altitude hold mode, it started trimming down continuously until the trim forces became too great and the AP disconnected. Tried 3 times with reset in between no joy. The electric trim works when the AP is off. The AP works without the altitude hold. I couldn't find anything in the archives, so I wonder if any of you had the same problem and might know what's wrong. Any help is appreciated. Model: 1984 M20J, original panel.

Ouch! That was stupid! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Thanks for sharing. However, that’s not it for me. I’ve bought a Concord replacement. Still the same issue. I’ll report here what I’ll find. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Hi Wojciech, all, thanks for the good discussion, which I find very helpful - having the same issue. Wojciech, have you ever solved your problem? I’ll check the baggage light, fuel memory, and clock tomorrow evening CET. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

The panel is back together. I've tested basic functions (power-on, bluetooth connection, attitude via blue tooth), but not yet the transmission of flight plans. That has to wait until my GNS430W is updated to at least version 5.2. For now, I'm happy. For those of you who are interested how the EASA CS-STAN works, please find attached the (anonymised) form. I'm happy to take any questions. CS-STAN EASA form 123 FlightStream 210.pdf

This is under EASA Part-ML CS-STAN under A&P (EASA equivalent) supervision. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

So, I did it the hard way: First, I got all avionics module out of the trays. Then, if you remove the front panel from the radio stack (bolts labelled "16" in the IPC section 53-10-06, four of them, see attached), all racks come out of the panel, but are still attached to the back plates. Next step, remove all backplates / connectors from the units in the radio stack. You can then remove the rack frame and have access to the backplates and connectors (see attached picture). The process takes about an hour. Be careful to label and document what you remove. I will now move to insert the pins from my prepared harness of the Flight Stream 210 into the main connector (P4001) of the GNS 430. Keep your fingers crossed.

I’ll try that and report here. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Couldn't find this in the archives: I'm trying to install a Garmin Flightstream 210 in my 1984 M20J. This is allowed as "minor change" here in Europe as it is not required for IFR. For this to work, I have to attach the FlightStrem 210 RS-232 In/Out to the Garmin GNS 430W Out/In (plug P4001). I'd prefer to use the upper of my two GNS430 units (see attached picture). Here's the challenge: how can I reach the P4001 plug of the GNS430W. I have tried: Remove the top panel cover - too tight between wind shield and equipment above the GNS430, can't reach Reach from below in the well-established upside-down-head-on-rudder-feet-on-head-rest-position - can't reach through the equipment and cables below the GNS430 (see also attached figure) Remove GNS430s, audio panel, and ADF (see attached figure) from trays, remove GNS430 backplate and try to turn around - cables too stiff The trays are riveted, so I cannot take them out myself. Any help from Mooniacs who have done this (or similar) successfully would be highly appreciated.

Hi Mooniacs, I lost a fastener from my tail section panel (part 9 from attached illustration). The part number as per IPC is "20-0-100" (applicable to models prior to 24-1458. Mine is 24-1447. Does anybody have an idea where to get these? Blue Skies, @MooneyRookie

Ah - that's why I cannot find it as paint or powder coating ... Thanks a million!

Hi Mooney world, does anyone here know where to get a (close to) original paint / powder coating for the 1984 M20J instrument panel (see attached picture). I have to cut a new panel to make the engine monitor fit and want it to fit the vintage look. Just found the sister topic in General Mooney Talk, which has good info. Perhaps somebody has any updates?