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Thanks Don, but I was able to find one locally.

@carusoam, thanks. I dont have any more pics sorry. Agree about the GA. Like I said, hindsight, i probably should have just went around when I felt the first big gust that was a lot more than what they were calling for. I had the plane with flaps in and on normal approach/speed when it hit and outloud even said I should go around because the plane and speed weren't set up for that type of gust if there could be more. Fortunately the damage was very minor and could probably have been bent back into place but I decided to replace the door. Lesson learned.

I think you meant Pete - not Jim. Thank you. Unreal...

Pete, You are doing such a disservice to these types of posts trying to do whatever it is you are trying to do (gain students?? Or maybe lose students, I dont know) ..with your ridiculous statements. "Gusts make planes climb" "How many more planes had an incident at that airport that day" this one was truly brilliant!! Along with all your other wrong statements. I made a post about how I got caught and what i did wrong to let people know what happened in hopes that someone may think deeper next time they are faced with it.... But along comes "super CFI" who from 500 miles away decided to post that he knows everything that happened and for some reason cant comprehend the most simple sequence of events. You are the reason when someone screws up, they dont post it for people to learn from it... why?, because "super CFI" knows everything, has all the answers - just come to him for more training... your statements as a CFI are laughable.. I'm actually glad you posted on here, I may have accidentally referred someone to you had I not known better.

Pete, Do you actually read the posts before you write?? sorry, but you're wrong again as with most of your ridiculous statements. You certainly aren't helping yourself with potential students if you cant comprehend something as simple as this.... No, it doesnt take a high rate of descent to have a main wheel hit the runway to sound like a tire blew when the gear door touched the runway as you are being moved sideways. I'm sure you have never heard that sound as I didnt either until Friday. I wasnt climbing, I already acknowledged I climbed and was floating back down to the runway and was <3 feet from touching the runway when the plane was rocked and the wheel touched.. why is this so hard for you to comprehend? You have never seen a plane hit with a crosswind gust at touchdown??? Really?? YouTube it.. there are 1,000s of examples. Would probably be good for you to know and understand that as a "CFI". Still waiting for you to tell us how we should know about a 25+ gust when max winds for up to 3 hours prior were reported 10g15??? Please enlighten all of us and educate us all how we could know about the 25+ gust ..we cant wait for this. (Actually the gust was recorded at 28kts by NOAA) I'll try to explain this again... since you are hung up on this, the prevailing wind and direction was known.. that wasnt the problem... runway 20.. winds 240 10g15...yes, I saw the wind sock... the reported and forecasted wind WAS KNOWN.. that wasnt the issue.... read that again and as many times necessary if needed as it really seems you have a severe comprehension issue with this....its really not difficult to understand. The 25+ kt crosswind gust as the wheels where <3' off the runway and descending tipped the plane and pushed it to the left.. the plane wasnt descending from height.. read post again... the plane was floating down the runway about to touchdown... the wheel touched as the plane was angled and being moved left a bit. With the angle the plane was at and I'm assuming side load on the tire caused the door to touch.... I cant write that any slower for you..please read that again as many times as necessary... No, the wing didnt touch, the gear didnt get damaged nothing happened except the plane touched at an angle that caused the door to touch. I'm amazed that you being in NJ knows exactly what happened more so than the 3 people in the plane who actually experienced it. You must be one of those "really good CFIs." You must be a joy to work with as a CFI if you cant even grasp this and want to put your take on it from 500 miles away after not witnessing it. Keep the comments coming...

Pete, For the sake of your potential new students... you should probably not continue this. Honestly your laughable now... "trying to make an excuse"? I already said I was surprised and should have carried more speed and probably should have gone around. You chose to turn it into a self promoting "I'm a great CFI from NJ, come take training with me..." post. Had this been any other day or a Cessna or piper... this doesnt happen because there is no gear door that close to the runway to touch. I have 30+ years of continuous flying and never even scratched a plane before this. If it surprised me, I'm sure others would have been surprised hence the purpose of the post. Oh.. and as far as "damaging" my plane... I bent a door that could be easily bent back into shape. I'm choosing to replace it.

Pete, I'm not going to continue this conversation with you about this as you clearly are miscomprehending every single thing posted. The 10 to 15 gusts I was referring to are the gust component of the wind report at various times enroute to the destination during the 3+ hour flight there. Nothing was higher than 15kt. I'm sure everyone but you understood that. Explain how I could have know there were gusts of 25+ when they weren't reported until after the fact being you said "seriously?" Please, Enlighten us... Thank you for telling me landing on one wheel from 5 feet is " no bueno" ... I'm sure no one knew that. "Did anyone else damage their plane that day?" Could be the most ridiculous statement I've ever read on this site. Do you think that everytime some has a mishap, there are others that same day that have mishaps at the same airport??? To answer your question, no one else was flying from that airport 30 minutes before I got there or 2 hours while I was there. It's a lightly used airport . I also have landed in worse with no issues. I'm sure most mishaps happen by pilots that have flown in worse conditions than when they had their incident. And no, I didnt post to get advice on what could be done have been done differently. I already know what I could have done differently. I posted to let people know how I got caught (yes, we know.. you will NEVER have anything surprise you) While I appreciate feedback and constructive criticism (the reason I posted)... it would help if you actually read the post before posting. It appears you are trying to make this post into a "I'm a superior CFI that can handle anything and I'm never surprised by anything" post and unfortunately I also see it as a "I'm a CFI that misunderstands and miscomprehended a very simple post about a very minor incident." Safe flying.

Pete, with all do respect.... did you read the post.... "stalled too high"?? (3 feet from the runway) "High rate of descent"?? "Concentrate on technique vs. Concentrating on external forces"??? "If you balloon full power and go around"?? Where does it say I ballooned? I wish I did! .. I simply described exactly what happened in hopes that if someone else gets hit with a hard gust near the runway, this may remind them of what could happen. You are certainly reading into more than what was written. I never mentioned a tail wind shear because that wasnt what happened. It was a 25+ knot cross wind gust that hit as I was less than 5 feet (probably less than 3')from the ground and the left main touched the runway as the plane was tilted and was pushed sideways. There wasnt a forecast for 25 knot gusts so why would I think I needed more speed and less flaps or that landing would be any different from a normal landing? The wing didnt touch because I did react to the gust and lifted that wing as the gust hit me but the wheel touched. If I did nothing, then you are right, the wing would have surely touched. You mention I should have carried more speed - If you read my post, I acknowledge I should have been carrying extra speed in hindsight due to the gust I encountered or if i knew about the gusts ahead of time but there was no forecast for that high of a gust. NOAA recorded it after the fact. Your statements imply I knew the gusts of 25+ were present at the time I landed. Had I know, of course I would have configured differently or chosen another airport. I have been a pilot over 30 years and I'm am sure I have as many crosswind , gusty wind landings as anyone. There are always things I learn everytime I fly. Seeing how you completely miscomprehended these events as clearly as you did...I thank you for your offer for some training however I'll pass.

Yes, they are for sure.

It almost doesnt appear the door can hit without the wing touching so I'm guessing with the plane being shoved sideways there had to be some give with the tire and the suspension (pucks) that allowed the door to touch. Visually, it doesnt appear possible. I never felt that the wing was close to touching but the plane was tilted pretty good. I didnt bother trying to straighten the door, I bought good used doors (both so the match..lol) and with the cost of removing and replacing, leaving the plane at the airport for a week and swinging the gear to check operation and fitting. Around $700. All in all, not bad. Learned a $700 lesson about carrying a little more speed when gusting although wasnt expecting (or reported) +25 until after the fact.

Oh really??? .... No... not true...a gust tipped the plane and the wheel to touch the runway when the plane wasnt level. This was a cross wind 25+ gust , get a tailwind gust and tell me if your statement holds true.

Tire pressure was good, didn't touch wing tip. It's such an angle that it doesnt even appear possible. I dont know how it could have hit without a wing touching the ground.

I personally didn't think the wing was that close to touching, that was why I was surprised when I saw the door touched. Not sure what it looked like from outside the plane though.

Putting this out there so it may help someone. Flew from NJ to NC in my M20E yesterday. Weather was for 10-15mph gusts at destination. As I was landing (20' above touchdown) I was surprised by a gust of 25+ that hit me and forced the plane down and to the left... wasnt too bad, never touched the runway.. added power, extended a bit down the runway ... was thinking about a go around if I would have felt another gust 20' over the runway but everything felt like it now would be a normal landing. As I was getting ready to touch down <5 feet from the runway I was hit again with a 25+ gust that tipped the left wing down right at touchdown. Landed ok (a bit harder that I would have liked) but the left main door touched the runway at touchdown. It sounded like I blew the tire when I landed and when I looked, I was shocked to see that the door actually touched the runway. Plane was inspected by 3 mechanics at the shop in NC and there was nothing else wrong, just the door. - new door coming and will return next week to pick plane up. Looking back, guess I am beating myself up for just not going around after the first gust when the thought crossed my mind but have been hit with gusts like that on landings and never had an issue.. just the exact moment of the second gust didnt leave any time to do really anything. Probably should have carried a little more speed than normal. A mechanic witnessed it happen and said "I can't believe you didnt crash, Jesus was with you" so I'm sure the view of what happened must have been something. Point being, if you have thoughts of going around, it's probably the right thought, go around. (Pic makes gear look bent-it is not) https://m.facebook.com/groups/2226961823?view=permalink&id=10157083205321824

Putting this out there so it may help someone. Flew from NJ to NC in my M20E yesterday. Weather was for 10-15mph gusts at destination. As I was landing (20' above touchdown) I was surprised by a gust of 25+ that hit me and forced the plane down and to the left... wasnt too bad, never touched the runway.. added power, extended a bit down the runway ... was thinking about a go around if I would have felt another gust 20' over the runway but everything felt like it now would be a normal landing. As I was getting ready to touch down <5 feet from the runway I was hit again with a 25+ gust that tipped the left wing down right at touchdown. Landed ok (a bit harder that I would have liked) but the left main door touched the runway at touchdown. It sounded like I blew the tire when I landed and when I looked, I was shocked to see that the door actually touched the runway. Plane was inspected by 3 mechanics at the shop in NC and there was nothing else wrong, just the door. - new door coming and will return next week to pick plane up. Looking back, guess I am beating myself up for just not going around after the first gust when the thought crossed my mind but have been hit with gusts like that on landings and never had an issue.. just the exact moment of the second gust didnt leave any time to do really anything. Probably should have carried a little more speed than normal. A mechanic witnessed it happen and said "I can't believe you didnt crash, Jesus was with you" so I'm sure the view of what happened must have been something. Point being, if you have thoughts of going around, it's probably the right thought, go around. (Pic makes gear look bent-it is not) https://m.facebook.com/groups/2226961823?view=permalink&id=10157083205321824