Well, I am new here but I think I should add to this little piece. I have owned a warrior, arrow, turbo arrow, lance, saratoga and my father currently owns a SaratogaII TC so I guess I am qualified to give my opinion. The warrior (which I own now) is a great little flyer if you like to just fly local and short cross country. The arrow/turbo arrow is an ok airplane but cost too much in my opinion for what you get. The lance is a great older aircraft which can really haul a load at 150k on 15gph. Its not fast but its a true family airplane that is hard to beat if you need to haul mom, dad and a couple of kids with luggage. There really isnt much out there any better except maybe the cherokee6. The older saratoga's are the same with more wiggle in the air. I always preferred the hershey bar wing because the wing loading was heavier and it was more stable in cruise and had to be flown to the ground, which I like. The SaratogaII TC is a really nice airplane with lots of room and good speed. It does not, however, haul near the load of a lance/old saratoga. It is really a 3 person and bags airplane, not 4. Alas, I love the little M20K for myself even though I need the family hauler. I just cant get over the efficiency of the 231 every time I fly it. I also love the way they ride in weather....rock solid. The Mooneys are also constructed at a higher level than the pipers, especially the older pipers. The SaratogaII TC is built pretty darn well.