Thanks everyone for the usual excellent input. It sounds like the turbo is the better way to go to get out of the stuff but can anyone tell me what the typical tops are when it's raining? I won't be going if there is a storm but just the normal Seattle and Portland steady rain. When I fly commercial they seem to be in the 10k plus range. My typical route will be KUAO to KLMT, with excursions to KBFI, and further north in Washington (San Juan Islands). As noted ice is the real issue and I don't have the desire to stay in the clouds the entire flight. If the tops are so high I will be in potential ice for a long time I should probably get a J, stay low, and not go.