thank you all for the input. this is a great source. I went out this morning to talk to the mechanic, and he suggested we run it again with him putting his voltmeter on everything to see what was going on. Of course the problem couldn't be replicated, things worked pretty much how they were supposed to, he showed 14 volts at the alternator, but inside on the jpi and aspen efis, both showed the volts moving around a little bit. but charging this time, from about 13.5-14. but moving constantly. he thought that was odd, so shut down, checked circuit breakers, then found some metal shavings on some breakers, tightened up a few things, then ran it again but tried to put as much load on it as possible, running trim, flaps, all lights on, transmitting at the same time. after this started seeing voltage drop below 12, ammeter showed drain. he took voltage at the alternator and confirmed dropping there too, then got to 11 volts as i continued. all of this done with running RPM anywhere from 1200 to 2000. same result. He believes it's the alternator. any other ideas before I pull the trigger on that?