Marauder Posted June 24, 2013 Report Share Posted June 24, 2013 As some of you know, I have been working through the portable ADS-B options. In order to get full capability on the portable platforms, I would be spending quite a bit. So much in fact, that it makes the panel stuff look even better. Since I have an Aspen 2000 setup, my MFD is capable of displaying weather and traffic on it. At this point, I believe only the GDL-88 is available to interface with my Garmin GTN 650. Talking with a couple of avionics shops, it is not clear what, if anything will be displayed on the Aspen. According to these shops, the Garmin GDL-88 will only display on the GTN, not the Aspen MFD. For those of you that have this configuration, is this true? If this is not true, could you fill me in on a few details? > Ballpark cost of installed product? I got numbers from the two shops I spoke with, but want confirmation of real world numbers. > These shop also said that two antennae configurations were available. Something about shading occuring and faster upload speeds with two. If you had the GDL-88 installed, can you confirm any of this? > How does the GDL-88 function with respect to the MFD's capabilities of presenting textual weather information? (I know that radar uploads and traffic should be displayed, but in the MFD manual, it shows the capabilitiy of panning to an airport and getting the textual description -- does that work as advertised?) > Is there anything you find you like or dislike with the setup? Thanks, B26 aka Marauder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bennett Posted June 24, 2013 Report Share Posted June 24, 2013 I can't address the Apen display, but I can talk about the antenna for the GDL-88. I opted (with the advice of my installer; EAM in Scottsdale), to use a single antenna. Works perfectly, and I have not noticed shading, and upload speed of data seems fast (not noticeable) to me. Hope this helps. Too many antennas already! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted June 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2013 I can't address the Apen display, but I can talk about the antenna for the GDL-88. I opted (with the advice of my installer; EAM in Scottsdale), to use a single antenna. Works perfectly, and I have not noticed shading, and upload speed of data seems fast (not noticeable) to me. Hope this helps. Too many antennas already! Thanks Bennett! I can understand the shading concern, but when they both said it would upload quicker, I started scratching my head. I agree, less antennas would be preferred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob_Belville Posted June 24, 2013 Report Share Posted June 24, 2013 B26, like Bennett I cannot speak to the 2nd Aspen screen, I only have one. But I do have a GDL 88, single antenna, displays on GTN 750. Works fine. (The single antenna was on recommendation of Robbie @ Twin Lakes Avionics who assured me, correctly, that a second antenna was not needed on my Mooney.) Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted June 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2013 Thanks Bob! At least I am down to knowing that 1 antenna will work. I will call Aspen tomorrow if no one else steps forward. I suspect they are probably not doing much with it anticipating their own product release... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob_Belville Posted June 24, 2013 Report Share Posted June 24, 2013 If you think of it, ask who their altitude select feature is coming. @ SnF they told me it was a few months away. As understand it, it will use the PFD's alt alert function to send alt hld to a/p. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mazer Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 I called Aspen about this before SNF. The first person to whom I spoke didn't even know what ADS-B was. The second said they didn't have the ability to use the Garmin stuff because Garmin wouldn't let them. Since then, nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Pleisse Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 Chris, I have a 2000 system, too. I am taking this route when I can afford it. http://www.aspenavionics.com/products/nextgen/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted June 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 If you think of it, ask who their altitude select feature is coming. @ SnF they told me it was a few months away. As understand it, it will use the PFD's alt alert function to send alt hld to a/p. Will do Bob. Was it for any AP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted June 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 I called Aspen about this before SNF. The first person to whom I spoke didn't even know what ADS-B was. The second said they didn't have the ability to use the Garmin stuff because Garmin wouldn't let them. Since then, nothing. I think there is some gamesmanship going on here. One shop I spoke to today is a big one that does a lot of volume. They told me that Aspen has been the delay in opening up the interface with the GDL-88 to work with the MFD. According to them, the protocol for ADS-B is supposed to be an open format. The Aspen delay is presumably to allow their own ADS-B solution to become available and not to lose the business to early adopters. He said they received hundreds of calls from Aspen owners the day after the March press release announcing Aspen's "future" ADS-B solution (looking for availability). Somewhere in all the truth exists... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob_Belville Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 B26, it will interface most A/Ps including my STEC50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted June 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 B26, it will interface most A/Ps including my STEC50. I will certainly ask Bob. I have the 60-2. Do you know if it is just an altitude pre-select or will it also control vertical speed rates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted June 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 Chris, I have a 2000 system, too. I am taking this route when I can afford it. http://www.aspenavionics.com/products/nextgen/ That is where I am headed as well. If the GDL-88 were available and did interface with the Aspen I might consider it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted June 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 This the beast you talking about Bob? http://www.aspenavionics.com/products/aps4a-altitude-preselect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob_Belville Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 B26, I don't think so. At SnF I attended an Aspen event at which Aspen told us they would have their own altitude hold in a few months, we should wait. They have taken on investors and teamed up with an Italian tech company to speed up product development. I had seen the APS4A advertised and asked about it so this is different though they might be using the Germans' technology for all I know. I got the impression that the feature would not require a visible interface, the Aspen software would add the feature. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted June 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 B26, I don't think so. At SnF I attended an Aspen event at which Aspen told us they would have their own altitude hold in a few months, we should wait. They have taken on investors and teamed up with an Italian tech company to speed up product development. I had seen the APS4A advertised and asked about it so this is different though they might be using the Germans' technology for all I know. I got the impression that the feature would not require a visible interface, the Aspen software would add the feature. Bob The stuff they sell today is indeed German. But does require an interface box from what I can tell. If it is software only, that would be nice. I also heard that the ADS-B stuff they announced is still in FAA approval. I will call them today and get the scoop on all this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob_Belville Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 Thanks, I'll be interested in what they tell you. From the David Mazer comment above, it might depend upon who you talk to! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mschmuff Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 Hey Chris, I am hearing the same thing from my avionics guy. No one wants to play nice in the sandbox!! I was trying to plan my panel upgrade (Aspen & ADS- and he told me to hold off for fear one won't talk to the other!!. I was considering getting rid of my 696 and getting a 796 so with the Aspen I would have dual AHRS and Garmin couldn't even guarentee what would talk to what!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted July 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 Hey Chris, I am hearing the same thing from my avionics guy. No one wants to play nice in the sandbox!! I was trying to plan my panel upgrade (Aspen & ADS- and he told me to hold off for fear one won't talk to the other!!. I was considering getting rid of my 696 and getting a 796 so with the Aspen I would have dual AHRS and Garmin couldn't even guarentee what would talk to what!! I'm still in a holding pattern on the ADS-B stuff. I think more and more changes are coming. The GDL-88 output until just this year did not work on Garmin's G500. They did a firmware update to enable it. I think I heard that way back in 2012 when the GDL-88 was introduced. Considering that a good sized Aspen population exists, I'm holding out to see if Garmin will introduce the GDL-88 to work on an Aspens. That would be my ideal solution. If it doesn't happen before the mandate, I will go with the Aspen ADS-B solution. I had a WX-500 installed this summer and I found that I spend a lot more time looking at the Aspens than I do the Garmin even though both units will display the StormScope information. My only interest in the -88 is that it would allow me to add a FlightStream 210 and port it over the iPad app and allow me to do flight plan downloads to the navigator. Let us know what you are doing! Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiser Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 A little off topic. I flew from KFDK to KSMQ yesterday with my new iLevil2-AW displaying traffic on the iPad. Wow. It sure doesn't look like GA is dying........ I ASSUMED all the targets I saw was because someone in my area was triggering the system to reply? Lots of traffic around Philly but.......... I was constantly seeing many, many planes low to the ground, mostly around airports, doing pattern work. Is this normal for NJ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkaye Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 My only interest in the -88 is that it would allow me to add a FlightStream 210 and port it over the iPad app and allow me to do flight plan downloads to the navigator. Actually, the most important aspect of the GDL 88 in my opinion is its TargetTrend capability if you have a compatible display. Of course the iPad with FlightStream 210 would be a compatible display, if you don't have a GTN or G500. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted July 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 A little off topic. I flew from KFDK to KSMQ yesterday with my new iLevil2-AW displaying traffic on the iPad. Wow. It sure doesn't look like GA is dying........ I ASSUMED all the targets I saw was because someone in my area was triggering the system to reply? Lots of traffic around Philly but.......... I was constantly seeing many, many planes low to the ground, mostly around airports, doing pattern work. Is this normal for NJ? Welcome to the East coast Tom! You betcha! I think due to the great weather we had this weekend, there were a lot more planes out than normal. I flew down to Ocean Maryland yesterday and the skies were packed. Both in patterns and along the corridors outside of Philly. So much in fact, that I climbed up to 9,500 to stay away from them. There is usually a high density of airplanes in between Philly and the SFRA as people head to and back from the shore points. Unfortunately, I am not seeing the whole TIS-B traffic but will occasionally parasite on someone. That is when it gets really scary to watch. On my trip home last night, I decided to fly out towards Lancaster a bit before returning to my airport. My iPad didn't show any traffic but right in front of me I was barreling down on a Cessna 150. When I got to about 2 miles away, they suddenly showed up on my TIS-B although I was only getting a partial traffic. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted July 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 Actually, the most important aspect of the GDL 88 in my opinion is its TargetTrend capability if you have a compatible display. Of course the iPad with FlightStream 210 would be a compatible display, if you don't have a GTN or G500. I do like the TargetTrend that I see on my Garmin Pilot. Especially helpful when overtaking a slower plane. I get to see the full potential on occasion as I parasite off of someone's hockey puck. I just wish the products had more cross compatibility. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_elliott Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 Can anyone tell me what is different about Garmin's "target trend" than say what is displayed on FLYQ, where it shows trend, direction, vertical deviation and position, using a Stratus, clarity or other ADS-B dual band receiver? I understand unless you have ADS-B out, you get an incomplete pic, but if you have 1090 ES xponder, what else does "target trend" give you that is absent other solutions?, From the G500 w. gdl 88, and the GTN750 w GDL 88 that I have flown, I haven't really grasped the additional features (short of audio alerts). I really like how it is displayed on the G500 but am missing what additional info it gives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkaye Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 Can anyone tell me what is different about Garmin's "target trend" than say what is displayed on FLYQ, where it shows trend, direction, vertical deviation and position, using a Stratus, clarity or other ADS-B dual band receiver? I understand unless you have ADS-B out, you get an incomplete pic, but if you have 1090 ES xponder, what else does "target trend" give you that is absent other solutions?, From the G500 w. gdl 88, and the GTN750 w GDL 88 that I have flown, I haven't really grasped the additional features (short of audio alerts). I really like how it is displayed on the G500 but am missing what additional info it gives. Mike, not sure what else you would want. Is someone in a position to run into you or not? Relative motion shows that. I've just spent some time reviewing some of the videos of FlyQ. The program has some very good features not available in other products that I have seen. Their videos are very helpful in determining what it does. It does appear that it has something similar to the Garmin target trend, so would be another alternative for a non panel mounted solution. It's the only program that has it that I am aware of. The cost would probably be about the same as buying the GDL 39 that has TargetTrend built in and using Garmin Pilot. The benefit of FlyQ is that since the software computes the trend, you can use all of their compatible ADS-B receivers instead of having to rely on the GDL 39 as Garmin Pilot requires. Mike, which other programs did you investigate before going with FlyQ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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