Co-Pilot brakes

[68m20g]

I'm nearly ready for my CFI check ride and the FAA Examiner won't do it without right side brakes. Anyone know where i can find some and about how much it should cost for my 68M20G?

[Jerry 5TJ]

ASIDE -- gee, that's interesting.  I thought the FAA examiner was along for the ride, not as required crew, so why does he/she need any controls at all?   Of course, the examiner may have personal requirements other than FAA regulations.  Or, are you going to be sitting in the right seat as the CFI candidate?  In that case, yes, you would want brakes over there.    

[68m20g]

Quote: jerry-N5911Q

ASIDE -- gee, that's interesting.  I thought the FAA examiner was along for the ride, not as required crew, so why does he/she need any controls at all?   Of course, the examiner may have personal requirements other than FAA regulations.  Or, are you going to be sitting in the right seat as the CFI candidate?  In that case, yes, you would want brakes over there.    

[Cruiser]

Go somewhere else and get an examiner that is more reasonable or rent a plane with RT side brakes.

[skyking]

i am with cruiser. I would just rent a plane for the check ride.

The cost of putting on R/H side brakes just for a check ride is astronomical.

[Immelman]

I may be facing this predicament myself. I don't want to give primary instruction in my airplane. I do want to use it to obtain CFI and CFII. The fellow training me has a good contact at the FSDO he is talking to about this but it still leaves me feeling uneasy since its at the discretion of the examiner.

What's worse, switching airplanes would cost a non-negligable amount of money (to find, check out, and become proficient in all maneuvers in another complex airplane wihch are hard to come by).

[68m20g]

Quote: Immelman

I may be facing this predicament myself. I don't want to give primary instruction in my airplane. I do want to use it to obtain CFI and CFII. The fellow training me has a good contact at the FSDO he is talking to about this but it still leaves me feeling uneasy since its at the discretion of the examiner.

What's worse, switching airplanes would cost a non-negligable amount of money (to find, check out, and become proficient in all maneuvers in another complex airplane wihch are hard to come by).

[Immelman]

I have time in 172RGs and PA28Rs before I bought my Mooney so a checkout in one of those should not in theory take a long time.. but you know how rental outfits go; its a pain in the butt to jump through an FBO's hoops (one of the reaons why we its great to own an airplane to begin with).

Anyway, because complex airplanes around here rent for $150+ per hour, and I am thinking I would need to rent one for at LEAST 5 hours (likely more), it may actually make financial sense to see about how much adding the brakes would be. However, I will cross the bridge when I come to it.

 

 

[KSMooniac]

I'd vote for flying to another examiner's region for the test.  Ask around and figure out where the more reasonable ones are, and then go there.  Even if you make a 2-3 trip out of the deal, it will still be cheaper than adding brakes or renting a different airplane.

[mjc]

Apparently, this issue is not subject to the discretion of the examiner, as the FAA has issued an interpretation of the "dual controls" mandate. So I'd probably start by emailing the text from the following link to the examiner:

http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/regulatory/regdual.html

If the examiner still refuses to allow the exam, I'd probably ask the local FSDO for the name of another nearby examiner that does abide by the FAA's interpretation. In any case, I agree with the others that adding dual brakes is cost-prohibitive for this use case.

[68m20g]

Thanks for the replys. I have found the parts needed for 700.00 and have an estimate of 800.00 for installation. not bad considering what it will cost to rent and check out in a different plane.

I have also printed out the new interpretation and am going to show it to the Examiner. I'll probably just PO him and have to find anouther examiner anyway.

[Flybeech21]

What is the examiner's name????   I am pretty sure Dan Emin would do the ride without the co-pilot brakes. 

[68m20g]

Quote: Flybeech21

What is the examiner's name????   I am pretty sure Dan Emin would do the ride without the co-pilot brakes. 

[Flybeech21]

That is very suprising to me.  I worked for him for three years.  He is a big Beechcraft man.  I have seen him do rides without co-pilot brakes in a Bonanza. 

I am gonna call him today and ask him about it.  I will let you know what he says.

 

[68m20g]

Quote: Flybeech21

That is very suprising to me.  I worked for him for three years.  He is a big Beechcraft man.  I have seen him do rides without co-pilot brakes in a Bonanza. 

I am gonna call him today and ask him about it.  I will let you know what he says.

 

[HopePilot]

I'm wondering if you ever got the co-pilot brakes added and how many pounds of useful load did you lose?

[deanb541]

Does anyone know where I can get salvage parts to add brakes on the right on my 1975 M20C, serial 20-1171?

Dean Byers, N6884V, byers@rosenet.net , 407 718-8377 cell

[rodtimmons]

I recently (finally) recieved the Mooney dual brake kit 950239-501 for my 68 M20F.... now I need to get it installed....  I have been trying to find someone who has done one of these installs in recent history, without any luck so far. My Phx area Mooney Service facility has not, for instance.

 

I have asked Mooney (corporate) Service if they can give me a list of customers who have bought this kit (again in recent history) and am waiting, waiting, for a response.

 

Is there anyone out there in the Forumsphere that can give me a lead?  I think my A&P and I can "handle it" regardless, but it would be very, very nice to talk to somebody, at least, who has some experience with an "old-Mooney" brake-addition install.

 

Rod Timmons

N6748N

Deer Valley Airport, Phoenix

[N601RX]

I put one on my 67 F last summer.  Most of the time was spent forming, fitting and mounting the aluminum lines.

 

I also have a extra set if anyone is interested.

[treebobboy]

Something I don't understand, maybe cause I'm old!  I took my CFI and CFII in a Cessna 150 and when I got my complex rating, I was qualified to instruct in that.  Have they changed the rules that much over the years??

 

Mike

[KB68M20F]

On 4/3/2013 at 0:40 PM, N601RX said:

I put one on my 67 F last summer.  Most of the time was spent forming, fitting and mounting the aluminum lines.

 

I also have a extra set if anyone is interested.

Hello there,

Do you still have the extra Mooney copilot brake kit? I am interested in it for my 1968 F model. 

[Sheriff23]

On 4/3/2013 at 2:49 PM, rodtimmons said:

I recently (finally) recieved the Mooney dual brake kit 950239-501 for my 68 M20F.... now I need to get it installed....  I have been trying to find someone who has done one of these installs in recent history, without any luck so far. My Phx area Mooney Service facility has not, for instance.

 

I have asked Mooney (corporate) Service if they can give me a list of customers who have bought this kit (again in recent history) and am waiting, waiting, for a response.

 

Is there anyone out there in the Forumsphere that can give me a lead?  I think my A&P and I can "handle it" regardless, but it would be very, very nice to talk to somebody, at least, who has some experience with an "old-Mooney" brake-addition install.

 

Rod Timmons

N6748N

Deer Valley Airport, Phoenix

 

On 4/3/2013 at 3:40 PM, N601RX said:

I put one on my 67 F last summer.  Most of the time was spent forming, fitting and mounting the aluminum lines.

 

I also have a extra set if anyone is interested.

Hi, I have a 67 M20F and I am considering the right side brakes...where did you purchase your retrofit kits?  Curious how long the shop took to install?

[M20F-1968]

I did the install on my 1968 F.  My brakes and master cylinders came from a 1998 Ovation.  The brake pedals and stems are the same.  The master cylinders are updated and installed with DER approval.  

Most of the time is spent forming the aluminum lines.  I also used the Ovation parking brake.  

Bill Wheat sent me the drawings of what he felt to be the preferred system.  He said to stay away for the system that has a shuttle valve.  

I likely have the drawings in my electronic files.

John Breda

[MooneyMitch]

18 minutes ago, M20F-1968 said:

I did the install on my 1968 F.  My brakes and master cylinders came from a 1998 Ovation.  The brake pedals and stems are the same.  The master cylinders are updated and installed with DER approval.  

Most of the time is spent forming the aluminum lines.  I also used the Ovation parking brake.  

Bill Wheat sent me the drawings of what he felt to be the preferred system.  He said to stay away for the system that has a shuttle valve.  

I likely have the drawings in my electronic files.

John Breda

Ah ha!!! ...... the infamous shuttle valve !!! 

Caused mystery and frustration for me a couple years ago.

For the life of me, I could discover why I wasn’t able to bleed brake system completely (my ship equipped with co-pilot brakes).   

Finally, turned out to be a faulty seal in shuttle valve for right pedals....... grrrrr!!! 

[RobertGary1]

Very easy fix. Just select another examiner.