I NEED YOUR HELP- YOU ARE THE AUDIENCE!

[cliffy]

I am setting up a seminar dealing with Mooney maintenance designed to pass along information to airplane OWNERS who may not be 

A&Ps but who want to know more about what makes a Mooney tick and what maintenance is required  for those who don't know. 

I've got it pretty well "in the can" but I want input from the brain trust here on what YOU would like to have covered if YOU were at the seminar.

What would YOU like to see explained or covered in such a seminar?  Not going to get into Garmin vs Aspen, etc   Electronics is not on the list-

just airframe and engine subjects or issues. 

Please add your ideas so I can check and see if I have already covered the subjects that YOU the audience want

Thanks

[00-Negative]

Lubrication. I've read the threads here and often refer back to them when going over my plane. More specifics on how to apply lubrication to areas such as universal joints and tubes where they pass through guide blocks. Should we remove previous lubricants? Where to look for signs and symptoms of wear? 

 

-David

[ProtoFly]

As a relatively new owner, and one that is very involved in the maintenance (under A&P supervision), lubrication (see above post), typical weak points, and 'things that are important but might be overlooked during annual'.

[PT20J]

How to use the IPC and S&MM.

How to find part numbers for electrical components. 

List of important SBs and SIs that seem to get ignored.

 

[47U]

45 minutes ago, cliffy said:

Please add your ideas so I can check and see if I have already covered the subjects that YOU the audience want

Hydraulic systems, brake and flaps bleeding best practices.

Landing gear preloads.  Theory of operation and bushings/hardware replacement.

Nose gear steering.  What’s normal ‘looseness’ and how to repair.

Flight control rigging.

What to look for when changing the oil and the cowling is off… chaffing, chaffing, and chaffing.

When does my prop need to be overhauled… or is an IRAN sufficient?

[Yetti]

best approach for the AD List, New Plane, Existing plane.  Where to focus, FAA list of ADs or Commercial package

FAA AD list vs. Mooney SB

Is there a way to incorporate the FAA list of 337s CD into the AD list?

[hammdo]

Manual Gear workings/lube, gear horn adjustments, compression testing (I know YouTube has some but…), even tire rnr would be good to review…

-Don

[Justin Schmidt]

Already mentioned but flight control rigging and touch on stall strip ensuring they are correct

[Paul Thomas]

 

[varlajo]

Limits of Coleal interpretation

[DC_Brasil]

+1 for flight control rigging!

[varlajo]

4 hours ago, 00-Negative said:

Lubrication. I've read the threads here and often refer back to them when going over my plane. More specifics on how to apply lubrication to areas such as universal joints and tubes where they pass through guide blocks. Should we remove previous lubricants? Where to look for signs and symptoms of wear? 

 

-David

I love this one. A step by step, joint by joint, lube by lube guide for dummies would be awesome. 

Also, a contortionist's guide to a Mooney, a.k.a. the impossible tasks. Replacing the air duct without losing faith in humanity. Removing magnetos without full disassembly of the entire plane. Safety wiring the finger screen without leaving behind a square foot of skin. Review of special tools, perhaps even home-made, for those tasks. 

[cliffy]

3 hours ago, Paul Thomas said:

 

Yes this is a follow on to see if I've missed anything   :-)

This will be more of a "how does it work" "what does it look like if its wrong"

"what to look for "  "what does the mechanic do to fix it"  etc  - rather than trying to teach 

how to be a mechanic and do it yourself -  FOR THIS PARTICULAR SEMINAR.

Make a more "informed" owner rather than trying to make an owner who has never

lifted a wrench into an A&P

[Scooter]

Has a time and place been determined yet? Like to plan ahead and attend. It definitely sounds like an interesting class with a lot of good item’s being covered.

[cliffy]

Unfortunately in won't be in the USA  Its being done overseas

[cliffy]

12 hours ago, PT20J said:

How to find part numbers for electrical components. 

Like in the back of the manual?  :-)

Using the manuals is in the presentation

[Bartman]

11 hours ago, cliffy said:

Yes this is a follow on to see if I've missed anything   :-)

This will be more of a "how does it work" "what does it look like if its wrong"

"what to look for "  "what does the mechanic do to fix it"  etc  - rather than trying to teach 

how to be a mechanic and do it yourself -  FOR THIS PARTICULAR SEMINAR.

Make a more "informed" owner rather than trying to make an owner who has never

lifted a wrench into an A&P

I like the concept and I like the responses. To answer the question “what does the mechanic need to do to fix it” the owner needs to understand how to research.
 

I have learned a lot here on Mooneyspace, but an owner can do a lot of work just by researching the maintenance manual and the IPC, resourcing parts, and planning the maintenance for the person who does the work. Research it, plan it, print off the Service Bulliten, mark it in manual and IPC for the maintainer, the get the parts, and discuss the plan. Done respectfully, this creates a collaborative approach with the maintenance professional , and over time the owner becomes more knowledgeable and more involved. 

[PT20J]

2 hours ago, Bartman said:

I have learned a lot here on Mooneyspace, but an owner can do a lot of work just by researching the maintenance manual and the IPC, resourcing parts, and planning the maintenance for the person who does the work. Research it, plan it, print off the Service Bulliten, mark it in manual and IPC for the maintainer, the get the parts, and discuss the plan. Done respectfully, this creates a collaborative approach with the maintenance professional , and over time the owner becomes more knowledgeable and more involved. 

EXACTLY. Good mechanics are really busy. When I need one to do some work that is beyond my skill level, or that I cannot legally perform, I do the research, gather the appropriate documentation and procure the materials. They always appreciate it. 

[MB65E]

Hi Cliff!

As a Tech I’ve been stumped by the elevator trim system rigging. It’s vague in the manual. Additional rigging explanation could be helpful for other techs. Setting neutral or adjusting the bungees 

Inspect the trim tube at rear avionics racks Each time the aft door is open.  I’ve had 2-3 customers this year that have needed new trim tubes. This is partially due to the way the new GFC500 autopilots are installed. The new sprocket and motors attach in a way that load the trim tube down and push it into the bulkhead damaging the tube. Fleet wide this will only get worse due to age and more Autopilot installs. 

Be careful installing interior side walls they are thin. Avionics ships like to use PK screws through doors and sidewalls. 

Take a look at your storm window. Lots of seals missing. I’ve seen the lips crack and depart etc. 

good source for carb air boxes? Many are worn out and complete garbage on the C models. 

Many Fuel injected owners have no clue on  the additional fuel filters in the system. Inline after the fuel pump and then the finger screen at the servo. 

Also on the fuel servo, I’ve found 2 of them this year that still haven’t had the “g” stamped on the center plug. Come on that AD was 18y ago, really? 

Gear Motor/Actuator explanations and service. 

Don’t start the airplane or shutdown with the Door open. Changing a main door hing on a J model currently. 

I don’t know why gear rigging is so hard for people. Use the tools, RTFM, and use common sense. This airplane in the picture was flying for 5y like this. 

Yoke shaft inspections and cracked yokes on the vintage birds. I’ve found cracked yokes, but never a cracked shaft. 

Shoulder harness need to be installed on more airplanes. Owners want new Autopilots, avionics, and leather but haven’t pulled the trigger on life saving devices. 

Hope this helps.  Have a great clinic!

-Matt