sleepingsquirrel Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 duplicate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackn Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Last night I watched the NOVA program on the accident investigation into the Air France crash from Rio to Paris. Three pilots. Here's the thing. While re-creating the chain of events, with 2 experienced pilots, they made all the right decisions and therefore avoided the crash. I guess when you are safe on the ground with no souls in back, it is a lot easier to make the right decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piloto Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Quote: flyboy0681 I think this tells the story http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N950KA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyboy0681 Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Quote: Piloto Wonder if he had XM weather onboard since it is obvious that weather was better NE of the route. The quick descent could have been in response to loss of cabin pressure. This would have increased his speed to the point of structural failure specially when combined with turbulence. José Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetdriven Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Quote: jackn Last night I watched the NOVA program on the accident investigation into the Air France crash from Rio to Paris. Three pilots. Here's the thing. While re-creating the chain of events, with 2 experienced pilots, they made all the right decisions and therefore avoided the crash. I guess when you are safe on the ground with no souls in back, it is a lot easier to make the right decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xftrplt Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 I guess when you are safe on the ground with no souls in back, it is a lot easier to make the right decisions. Anyone who's been through a 4-hour simulator evaluation might disagree. The decisions aren't easier. The consequences of error, though not physically dangerous, can have serious career ramifications. Flying the line is the easy part. Sorry, but the AF pilots were irredeemably incompetent. Why the lacked the most basic of instrument flying skills is debatable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetdriven Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Dick, if they were taught from 0 total time the aircraft cannot stall under any circumstance, and then it does stall, and you dont know what to do, can you blame them? We teach pilots to fly the automation, then fault them when the automation fails..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xftrplt Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 And it won't stall if you simply maintain cruise, climb, or GA power and cruise attitude. As I said, they were incompetent. The only question is why. Lack of training or sheer stupidity...or both? First, teach pilots to fly. Then, teach them to manage the automation to make the flying easier. ('Nuff hijacking.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry 5TJ Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Wonder if he had XM weather onboard since it is obvious that weather was better NE of the route. The quick descent could have been in response to loss of cabin pressure. This would have increased his speed to the point of structural failure specially when combined with turbulence. José Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetdriven Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 "Well this radar is fuzzy and the XM over here is clear, so......." 20 minutes is ancient history when you are dealing with monsters that grow at 6,000 feet per minute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry 5TJ Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 Quote: xftrplt How many of us would have our families fly in a SE jet (albeit one with an unducted fan) piloted by a single PP without* a type rating? Not I. This is a loophole, which, if you have enough money, is large enough to drive a truck through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwixdraw Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 It still amazes me that the media can always find some turkey to shove a microphone at who says something like,"Yeah, I seen it go over an' it sounded lak ther engine wuz a tryin' tur quit an' finally it jus' did. It wuz turrible." It doesn't matter where the accident happens, there is always this one doofus they manage to find. I guess he's a cousin of the guy who always seems to see smoke an' "far coming out" when the plane crashes from running out of fuel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBill Posted June 23, 2012 Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 I went to a FAAST Seminar today and during a break, a Pilatus flew in and I got to speak with the pilot. He feels the guy never slowed down to manuevering speed, which he should at first sight of the turbulence. If he had, they all might be here today talking about. it. BILL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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