Standby attitude panel placement

[Will.iam]

I was surprised that the garmin g1000 in my neighbor’s ovation that the standby ADI, airspeed and altimeter are on the far right side of the panel. Makes a great setup for a copilot to fly off of but how did garmin get that certified as I see all these upgraded panels and all of them have the standby adi next to the primary pfd and I hear that is the requirement. Just wondering how garmin got the g1000 approved that way. 

[LANCECASPER]

21 hours ago, Will.iam said:

I was surprised that the garmin g1000 in my neighbor’s ovation that the standby ADI, airspeed and altimeter are on the far right side of the panel. Makes a great setup for a copilot to fly off of but how did garmin get that certified as I see all these upgraded panels and all of them have the standby adi next to the primary pfd and I hear that is the requirement. Just wondering how garmin got the g1000 approved that way. 

The G1000 Bonanzas & Barons have it on the far right also.

[Mooney in Oz]

4 hours ago, Will.iam said:

I was surprised that the garmin g1000 in my neighbor’s ovation that the standby ADI, airspeed and altimeter are on the far right side of the panel. Makes a great setup for a copilot to fly off of but how did garmin get that certified as I see all these upgraded panels and all of them have the standby adi next to the primary pfd and I hear that is the requirement. Just wondering how garmin got the g1000 approved that way. 

There are many older twin engine aircraft with wider than Mooney panels, such as C400 and PA350 series that are configured this way too. 

I consider it dangerous in the event of a primary AH failure with no autopilot and having to (even slightly) turn one’s head to the right side deviating from normal scan for even a second or two on a dark, turbulent night trying to keep straight and level or conducting an instrument approach without slope guidance.

I have no idea if there are any loss of control stats in these scenarios and it’s obviously allowed, but I disagree with it.

[LANCECASPER]

That's the reason I mounted a Dynon D3 Portable on my compass post. It has GPS groundspeed, attitude, GPS altitude and synthetic vision.

I think I'd stand a better chance transitioning to something EFIS-like close-up rather than a parallax view of the three analog instruments way off to my right. I also have an Aera 760 on my yoke and a GDL52 on the glareshield to cover weather and NAV, just in case.

I wish there was enough room in the center to put one GI-275.

[Pinecone]

It is not hard to fly cross cockpit instruments.  Instructors do it all the time.

It would be a good idea to practice this.

But I put my back up G-5 right next to the main display and up high.  I see a lot of panels with them down low.

 

[kortopates]

It is not hard to fly cross cockpit instruments.  Instructors do it all the time.
It would be a good idea to practice this.
But I put my back up G-5 right next to the main display and up high.  I see a lot of panels with them down low.
 

With literally thousands of hours of flying right seat i’d say it’s an acquired skill that takes quite a bit of time and needs to be constantly practiced to be doable in weather. Personally i don’t think someone that hasn’t practiced it before they do it in IMC is going to fair well; especially if they weren’t proficient on the full panel to begin with.
I agree with the sentiment it’s a terrible configuration to place backups were they did.


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[exM20K]

It’s not great, but it is ok flying.  The real challenge if both displays go dark would be NAV.  The best standby gauge placement I’ve seen is Diamond: Airspeed, Altitude, and Attitude w/ball are at the top center. There just isn’t a lot of room to put these things, especially when they’re steam gauges.  The new all-in-one stuff is a lot easier to find space for.

 

 

[Mooney in Oz]

10 hours ago, exM20K said:

The best standby gauge placement I’ve seen is Diamond: Airspeed, Altitude, and Attitude w/ball are at the top center

That’s a MidContinent SAM. If you want one for your own you’re looking at about 11k plus install.