Not my 252 but worth a look

[Aerodon]

https://www.controller.com/listing/for-sale/226229497/1988-mooney-m20k-252tse-piston-single-aircraft?fbclid=IwAR3Vdy1eGG6pcNJoCvihQIobmlYHqC5JV82QLExoXWsqUzxUvecncr6gBEA

[Fly Boomer]

6 hours ago, Aerodon said:

https://www.controller.com/listing/for-sale/226229497/1988-mooney-m20k-252tse-piston-single-aircraft?fbclid=IwAR3Vdy1eGG6pcNJoCvihQIobmlYHqC5JV82QLExoXWsqUzxUvecncr6gBEA

Conventional (near stock?) panel, but very nice paint and interior, and crazy low TTAE.

[LANCECASPER]

On 10/4/2023 at 9:19 AM, Aerodon said:

https://www.controller.com/listing/for-sale/226229497/1988-mooney-m20k-252tse-piston-single-aircraft?fbclid=IwAR3Vdy1eGG6pcNJoCvihQIobmlYHqC5JV82QLExoXWsqUzxUvecncr6gBEA

Beautiful airplane. I’ve been following this airplane for years (https://n252q.com)

Biggest drawback is that it is was originally one of the very basic 252s that were built with only one alternator. So, one alternator, and the fact that Ks only have one battery doesn't give you much redundancy if an electrical problem happens.

[Aerodon]

1 hour ago, LANCECASPER said:

Biggest drawback is that it is was originally one of the very basic 252s that were built with only one alternator. So, one alternator, one battery.

I doubted you, all the ones I have seen have dual alternators.  But this one has the space for the second 70A circuit breaker.

I have the rear end of a TSIO360MB engine with the dual drive alternator if the buyer is really interested.

 

Aerodon

[LANCECASPER]

18 hours ago, Aerodon said:

I doubted you, all the ones I have seen have dual alternators.  But this one has the space for the second 70A circuit breaker.

I have the rear end of a TSIO360MB engine with the dual drive alternator if the buyer is really interested.

 

Aerodon

https://n252q.com/engine.html

Yes, a little known fact, a few came with the TSIO-360-MB1 Engine, which has one alternator. (https://www.airpowerinc.com/tsi0360mb1br)

The -MB2 engine has two alternators. (https://www.airpowerinc.com/tsi0360mb2br)

[RoundTwo]

Gorgeous plane but he bought it in 2006 with 627 hours and 17+ years later it has only gained 183 hours on the clock. The UL isn’t great, as is common with 252’s, but I wonder what she’d actually weigh after the rich upgrades.

[Aerodon]

3 hours ago, RoundTwo said:

Gorgeous plane but he bought it in 2006 with 627 hours and 17+ years later it has only gained 183 hours on the clock. The UL isn’t great, as is common with 252’s, but I wonder what she’d actually weigh after the rich upgrades.

WEIGHTS

• Gross Weight: 2,900 LBS
• Empty Weight: 2,049 LBS
• Useful Load: 897 LBS
• Fuel Capacity: 75 GAL

252's really need the Encore conversion

 

 

[J Bird]

My 252 has the MB-1 single alternator engine. Looking at possibly converting it to dual alternator since I've collected about 90% of the parts to go the 252 Encore route.

[LANCECASPER]

2 hours ago, J Bird said:

My 252 has the MB-1 single alternator engine. Looking at possibly converting it to dual alternator since I've collected about 90% of the parts to go the 252 Encore route.

Good idea.

A good point about the one-alternator 252 models: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/bw80n4omu09pr6iemt17a/M20K-PRE-BUY.pdf?rlkey=va5eojcu5bc9ue7rnwjj7clzi&dl=0

[RoundTwo]

6 hours ago, Aerodon said:

WEIGHTS

• Gross Weight: 2,900 LBS
• Empty Weight: 2,049 LBS
• Useful Load: 897 LBS
• Fuel Capacity: 75 GAL

252's really need the Encore conversion

 

 

Is that a calculated empty weight, or was the plane weighed?

[DanM]

VG's on a 252???

[Mcstealth]

20 hours ago, Aerodon said:

I doubted you, all the ones I have seen have dual alternators.  But this one has the space for the second 70A circuit breaker.

I have the rear end of a TSIO360MB engine with the dual drive alternator if the buyer is really interested.

 

Aerodon

Oh yee of little faith. Never doubt the Casper! 

[Aerodon]

4 hours ago, RoundTwo said:

Is that a calculated empty weight, or was the plane weighed?

Mine is similarly equipped, with dual alternators, weighed at the factory as 2046.

 

Aerodon

[William A]

On 10/5/2023 at 5:33 PM, DanM said:

VG's on a 252???

What’s the concern w VGs? Drag?

[Mcstealth]

On 11/12/2023 at 9:49 AM, William A said:

What’s the concern w VGs? Drag?

The consensus is; why? add anything to the wing that will slow the airplane from its intended purpose of efficiency while going fast. 

[kortopates]

The consensus is; why? add anything to the wing that will slow the airplane from its intended purpose of efficiency while going fast. 

they don’t appreciably slow the plane but they make a major improvement in stall handling. One needs to experience it for themselves to really appreciate them.

I don’t have them on my plane but have been very impressed by clients planes.


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[Mcstealth]

1 hour ago, kortopates said:

they don’t appreciably slow the plane but they make a major improvement in stall handling. One needs to experience it for themselves to really appreciate them.

I don’t have them on my plane but have been very impressed by clients planes.


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No, I get it. The question put forth was why did they have a bad wrap.. 

[Rwsavory]

You mean a “Bad Rap.”  This is a bad wrap:

[wombat]

I took a look at the web page for this plane.    A few things make me question the accuracy of much of the data.

I am skeptical that this plane flies at 201 KIAS.     Maybe 201 KTAS, but my Rocket only flies at about 165 KIAS at high power settings.  But then they compare it to 178 KIAS from the Cirrus SR22T, that doesn't match any airspeed Cirrus claims.   Umm....  What?

Also, the useful load listed by Cirrus for the SR22T is 892 but n252q.com lists it at 820.  

 The 'best range' listed for the Cirrus is 947NM, but Cirrus claims over 1,000NM.  So......

[shawnd]

On 10/5/2023 at 2:41 PM, LANCECASPER said:

Good idea.

A good point about the one-alternator 252 models: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/bw80n4omu09pr6iemt17a/M20K-PRE-BUY.pdf?rlkey=va5eojcu5bc9ue7rnwjj7clzi&dl=0

Great article, though I don't think I agree with this line being an owner of a single alternator 252:

If you are considering buying a rare 252 that has only one alternator (most had two), be careful. This aircraft will go through a lot of batteries.

I haven't noticed any issues with Concorde sealed AGM batteries which I switched to immediately after purchase. Proper maintenance which includes using BatteryMinder hasn't revealed any surprises nor have I had any issues with starts.

Anyone have other experiences?