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[aerobat95]

Quote: scottfromiowa

Just to be clear I worship no man.  I read, but rarely the bible.  I have been called a dumbshit before, but NEVER to my face.  Yes, I do keep my guns stashed, but "handy".  I respect all that are independent, work for a living whether they have achieved success in the monetary sense is unimportant to me...that they (like I wish the government would) live within their means and don't tread on me is golden...

I patently reject the notion that taxes are O.K. if they don't impact me.  I believe that Aviation IS BEING TARGETED by the current administration and personal freedom to express your beliefs and be PC is ruinous to individual freedom.  Class warefare is nothing new...unfortunate for the current administration is that their desire to rid the US of affordable fossil fuels is about 150-200 years early and as most vote with their pocketbooks they are doomed.  Just remember "an @$$hole with a small carbon footprint is STILL an @$$hole.  I envy no man and certainly bare no anamosity toward one based on his/her success or lack there-of.  One of my best friends is of modest means, but works hard and provides for his family...he and I are BOTH living the American Dream.

[AndyFromCB]

What I posted were cold hard numbers from 2010 budget. Which is apparently why my soberiety was being questioned. Everybody is always up in arms about the non-existent entitlement programs which are not only self funded but well into surplus via payroll and medicare taxes because we have been programmed by the powers to be to call them 'entitlement programs' as opposed what they which is a contract with the goverment. Words don't have any meaning anymore. 

To all who are calling me crazy, show me one number where Social Security has not actually been paid for or for that matter has ever run a deficit. It hasn't and it wouldn't if it wasn't for B2 bombers, F22, etc. We pissed the money away.

There is non such thing as entitlement programs in US of A. We don't get shit for our dollars other than an occasional blue angel fly by, collapsing bridge and the TV telling us we're number #1 while we fall behind the rest of the world in almost every aspect. For crying out loud, Cuba has us beat in infant mortality. The same MRI we pay $2000 in US costs $100 in Japan. If you take into account the federal taxes, the payroll taxes, the state taxes, the sales taxes, the property taxes most of us regular people without means to hide assets off shore like Romney pay taxes as high as northern europe, around 50%. We don't get shit, they get world class health care, child care, vacation time, decent retirement, great primary and secondary schools for free. We have this crazy focus on the poor, thinking they are draining everything from us while in actuallity it's the GEs and Exon Mobiles that have been stealing from our federal coffers and then creating PACs to confuse everyone. If for a second anyone of you thinks that there is an ounce of difference between Obama and last Bush, you are severly mistaken. Both do what they are told.

Has any one of you actually been to Europe before? I mean Germany, Danmark, Sweeden, etc. Things run like a swiss clock, they have much less debt than we do. They have almost no crime, things just work. Why is that American's reject any idea they did not invent? The only countries in Europe that have major issues are countries run more US. BTW, I am a EU citizen with a EU passport on top of US passport. They actually have political parties that argue about issues not how many angels fit on a pin (for example, our ever present battle about sex vs abstinance eduction which has no effect what so ever other than keep two groups of people butting heads with one another while at the same time uniformely voting to fund the next F22).

The thruth is that we spend almost 100% of what we take in real income taxes on so called 'security' which is where I would think most of so cold right wingers would be having a heart attact. Why in the world does a country with more guns than humans need a standing army? What is so wrong with the Swiss model. What happend to the constitution and standing armies in time of peace.

Most Americans are so closed minded it's unbeliavable. We are quickly heading towards the south american model where we will have the 1% ultra rich, 5% professional class supporting them and the rest will be dirt poor. It that's what you want, enjoy. But before you do, go visit Columbia. There is nothing great about having money if you have to drive around in a bullproof car everywhere you go. It's called ignorance. It really sucks when you are told that not to roll your windows down on your way from Bogota airport when on business down there. Really, really sucks. There has to be a certain level playing field and equality otherwise we will end up just like them. Top federal income rate was 91% in the 1950's and somehow that where everyone looks to for the best, most properous times. We were pretty socialistic back then, working on 'commie' projects like the interstate system, ATC, etc.

The interstate system was 50%, I repeat 50% of the entire federal budget.

[AndyFromCB]

So before you all call me crazy, show me a year where the entitlement program called social security took in less than it paid out and tell me what happend to the surplusses? Because as far as I am concerned, they are sitting somewhere at about 2 trillion.

Here are the cold hard numbers:

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/Content/PDF/ssreceipts_historical.pdf

What happend to all that money?

 

[jetdriven]

Thanks, Andy.  You are one of the few who actually understands what has happened in the USA since about 1950..

[DaV8or]

Quote: jetdriven

I think what Randy is saying is cut social socialism.  Leave the vast military industrial complex and the corporate socialism structure intact.     GE, Bank of America, exxon, why they have the highest corporate tax rate in the world!  But if you have 99 cents in your ashtray, that's more than all those companies paid. In tax last year.  Spare me the shit, they didn't pay a thing.

[jetdriven]

Yep.  GE's effective tax rate was 2.3%.  That does not sound fair at all.  So, about that?

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/02/27/433250/general-electric-tax-rate-decade/?mobile=nc

http://www.ctj.org/taxjusticedigest/archive/2012/02/press_release_general_electric.php

 

Concentrating on welfare queens isnt even a rounding error to the massive fraud being perpetrated on us by the corporate state and their servants.

[DaV8or]

Quote: astelmaszek

What happend to all that money?

[DaV8or]

Quote: astelmaszek

Has any one of you actually been to Europe before? I mean Germany, Danmark, Sweeden, etc. Things run like a swiss clock, they have much less debt than we do. They have almost no crime, things just work. Why is that American's reject any idea they did not invent? The only countries in Europe that have major issues are countries run more US. BTW, I am a EU citizen with a EU passport on top of US passport. They actually have political parties that argue about issues not how many angels fit on a pin (for example, our ever present battle about sex vs abstinance eduction which has no effect what so ever other than keep two groups of people butting heads with one another while at the same time uniformely voting to fund the next F22).

[scottfromiowa]

Quote: astelmaszek

Randy,

You are high on slogans. We spent more on air conditioning last year in Iraq, $22 billion than on NASA, 18.7 billion. Social Security, the giant red evil, brought in $819 billion, with only $695 billion paid out. How is that for a surplus. We collected a total of $1.1 billion of federal income taxes and spent most of it between the DOE (663 billion), Homeland Security (42 billion) and Justice (26 billion), three departments that really have no reason to exist other than to line up pockets of the 'socialists' like GE.

Call them what you want...Where in the constitution are these programs recognized?  Where is the third rail taking us in future benefits vs. what is taken in by the government.  The programs are UNSUSTAINABLE on the present course yet democrats REFUSE to even discuss necessary modifications to ensure a sustainable program...and I keep throwing money AS MANDATED into the pit.

Now, in full interest of disclosure, the company I co-own currently is riding high on USDA related contracts and I'm loving it. So as far as I am concerned, the feds can all go away other than crop insurance and farm subsidies ;-) Pays for my personal Mooney Bravo, my two houses and company's King Air 350 charter. Looking forward to our next 'company meeting' in Jackson Hole.

Thanks for the disclosure.  That paragraph speaks volumes...

We all have money to buy airplanes and fly them specifically because the government provides a framework and services in which to make and keep our money unlike say Haiti or Afganistan and it all costs a pretty penny. And on top of everything, they have to keep the poor from feeling like the world would be a better place if all of the sudden most of us would find ourselves about a foot shorter. There is a lot more of them than us.

Bull$hit.  The CONSTITUTION, NOT THE GOVERNMENT provides the framework i.e. a military, courts, and FREEDOM to pursue happiness...i.e. buy an airplane.  It must be a real bummer going to sleep every night wondering if you have "taken care of the little people" enough to continue to live your lifestyle.  We have the rule of law and the constitution THAT is what makes us great.

Let's all be glad our poor so dumb and high on the lord, unlike let's say the greeks that nobody is burning our hangars quite yet. Nowhere else in the world do the poor vote against their interest like they do in the good old US of A country after all founded on the idea of all man are created equal other than the pesky African visitors who upon arrival felt that the work schedule and pay rates were a bit gruelling.

Andy

This paragraph speaks VOLUMES as to your opinion of those of less means...and your opinion of YOUR lofty station.  Elitist doesn't even begin to describe what you wrote here.  What century are you living in with regard to equality? 

In summary big bad corporations are destroying the US through greed.  The US should continue to emulate Europe as they are just "better than the U.S."...I "care" about those poor misguided masses and have dual citizenship so I "KNOW what's best for the US".

I wonder every night if I am going to lose it all

We really don't need Defense because everybody has at least one gun.

[Cruiser]

Quote: jetdriven

snip......... 

Concentrating on welfare queens isnt even a rounding error to the massive fraud being perpetrated on us by the corporate state and their servants.

[PTK]

May I ever so gently suggest: either put the guns away or have a fly-in/barbecue/shootout in a desert somewhere and settle this once and for all!!

Sooooooooo...ROP or LOP?!  How about that red box! Huh!! Now that is one mean box!!

 

[scottfromiowa]

Shootout in the desert?...don't forget R.I.P

[PTK]

Quote: scottfromiowa

Shootout in the desert?...don't forget R.I.P

[jetdriven]

Quote: Cruiser

Definition....

Fraud: In criminal law, a fraud is an intentional deception made for personal gain or to damage another individual; the related adjective is fraudulent. The specific legal definition varies by legal jurisdiction. Fraud is a crime, and also a civil law violation. Defrauding people or entities of money or valuables is a common purpose of fraud

 

yep...... another political bull$hit statement.

[John Pleisse]

I am thinking........the Avidyne and not the Garmin.

[RJBrown]

On another subject. Any one who believes ANY business pays tax is naive. All taxes paid by any business get passed on to the consumer. Not only passed on but marked up and passed on. The government knows they can fool the public by saying they will raise taxes on businesses. It hides the tax the public pays from them. The fools get the Illusion of something for nothing. They still pay it they just pay MORE of it through a middleman.

Every thing I said was "discussed"  but this.

 The only entity that pays taxes is the final consumer. Every one else in the food chain just passes it on. To hear some whine about "the corporations" cracks me up. Is ANY one really stupid enough to think any company ever paid a tax they didn't send on to the consumer. Taxing ANYONE but the consumer is just a smoke screen to get more for the government FROM the consumer.

 The argument to "Tax the Corporations" sounds good if you don't bother to think about it. Problem is there are way to many out there that simply don't think.

[paulthomas]

User fees in my opinion should not be encouraged and should be fought! These would cause seroius increases in such fees and people should not stand for this.

[AndyFromCB]

Scott from Iowa,

One day, when you get past the age of 5, you will understand what sarcasm it. No kids under the age of 5 get it (proven fact) and apparently neither do many adults. The thruth about the world is that no matter what a constitution says the world becomes how the world is.

As to the ride in the SD, put it down into Platte rRver after loosing power. It's totalled. Flipped. Thank the Lord for making a river with 6 inches of water. The Bravo is getting a new engine as well, so if you'd like to keep a crazy guy current, feel free to fly down to coucil tucky ;-). I'd be glad to explain my point of view having have lived in many countries and considering moving back to Chech Republic.

Andy