Stefano Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 Hello, does anyone have a tip? A friend of mine would like to use our 1961 M20E, but he is to big to be able to lean down to operate the fuel selector valve on the floor. Hay anyone had this problem? Suggestions are welcome? Thank you very much! Stefano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fly Boomer Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, Stefano said: Hello, does anyone have a tip? A friend of mine would like to use our 1961 M20E, but he is to big to be able to lean down to operate the fuel selector valve on the floor. Hay anyone had this problem? Suggestions are welcome? Thank you very much! Stefano Welcome to MooneySpace! Here is one example, but many people build one for themselves: https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/mooney05-15255.php Also, make sure you are not using the tool to overpower a selector that's difficult to turn. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rjfanjet Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 Made mine out of PVC I had laying around the garage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Schmidt Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 I too made mine out of PVC, Additionally, I notched it so it would only go over the selector in the direction the selector is. Then put an elbow on top to point in that direction. completely idiot proof. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Ellis Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 I made one out of some PVC laying around as well. It works great even if you are big or tiny, just makes it easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertGary1 Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 Yoga? Honestly I’ve never understood the concern. Is it wider pilots? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, RobertGary1 said: Yoga? Honestly I’ve never understood the concern. Is it wider pilots? Not necessarily a lot wider [side to side], but certainly thicker pilots [front to back] have trouble reaching the floor between their feet to switch tanks. Sometimes it's just a loss of agility, or back trouble, or too much belly, or a combination of factors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Schmidt Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Hank said: Not necessarily a lot wider [side to side], but certainly thicker pilots [front to back] have trouble reaching the floor between their feet to switch tanks. Sometimes it's just a loss of agility, or back trouble, or too much belly, or a combination of factors. 1 hour ago, RobertGary1 said: Yoga? Honestly I’ve never understood the concern. Is it wider pilots? For me, it is height. I sit 3 sometimes 4 notches from front even with 3" pedal extenders (I am 5'5"). Thus, my body is close to the yoke and no room to bend down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 15 minutes ago, Justin Schmidt said: For me, it is height. I sit 3 sometimes 4 notches from front even with 3" pedal extenders (I am 5'5"). Thus, my body is close to the yoke and no room to bend down. Wow. I'm 5'11" and fly one notch from full forward. It's not difficult, whichever arm u reach with, just lower that shoulder and stretch. The more weight I gain, the more difficult the bending gets; losing weight makes it easier again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingDude Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 I have a slim figure and I don't find it hard. Though switching right tank to left tank is easier to do with the right hand than with the left hand, but that requires repositioning right leg due to the center column. Switching in either direction, I need to disconnect the shoulder harness momentarily while switching tanks to reach the selector with a shoulder twist than pushing on the yoke. Not a biggie. I should just cut a PVC tube like the rest of you did. Where do you find PMAed PVC pipes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 19 minutes ago, FlyingDude said: Where do you find PMAed PVC pipes? National Aircraft Parts Assn. doesn't carry PVC. Try Home Flying Depot or Lowe Aviation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Peace Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 Can you feel that "click" that its in the detent when using a tool? I think I want that tactile feedback.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Schmidt Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 17 minutes ago, Jim Peace said: Can you feel that "click" that its in the detent when using a tool? I think I want that tactile feedback.... Yes, it is very distinct. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Schmidt Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Hank said: Wow. I'm 5'11" and fly one notch from full forward. It's not difficult, whichever arm u reach with, just lower that shoulder and stretch. The more weight I gain, the more difficult the bending gets; losing weight makes it easier again. Guessing you have longer arms than I do. I can disappear into the crowd or corn better haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerry Posted May 22, 2023 Report Share Posted May 22, 2023 I have to undo my shoulder harness to switch tanks but that's part of my planning when in flight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0TreeLemur Posted May 23, 2023 Report Share Posted May 23, 2023 7 hours ago, RobertGary1 said: Yoga? Honestly I’ve never understood the concern. Is it wider pilots? In my C I never detached my shoulder harness and didn't have an inertial reel. Even with it off I find it awkward to get to. I made a pvc handle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefano Posted May 23, 2023 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2023 20 hours ago, Fly Boomer said: Welcome to MooneySpace! Here is one example, but many people build one for themselves: https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/mooney05-15255.php Also, make sure you are not using the tool to overpower a selector that's difficult to turn. Thank you, very good tip! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M20F-1968 Posted May 25, 2023 Report Share Posted May 25, 2023 My answer to this problem was to fabricate this fuel selector extension. It is signed off by a DER. The cream-colored one is what is now in the plane. I have the original which I could sell if anyone is interested. Works very well. The selector is held down by 4 machine screws, and the step (larger diameter) in the shaft which matches a step in the shell. The rotation is assured by a slot and roll pin and set screw. John Breda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted May 25, 2023 Report Share Posted May 25, 2023 That's mighty fancy, John, but how many times do you hit that big thing sticking up out of the floor? The attraction of the PVC tools is low cost, no involvement of DERs or STCs, and it quickly stows out of the way when not in use for 10 seconds every hour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M20F-1968 Posted May 25, 2023 Report Share Posted May 25, 2023 I never hit it at all. It is close enough to the seat that there is plenty of room. The advantage is that should there be a need to switch tanks urgently, I do not need to look for anything else. John Breda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M20F-1968 Posted May 25, 2023 Report Share Posted May 25, 2023 18 minutes ago, Hank said: That's mighty fancy, John, but how many times do you hit that big thing sticking up out of the floor? The attraction of the PVC tools is low cost, no involvement of DERs or STCs, and it quickly stows out of the way when not in use for 10 seconds every hour. I never hit it at all. It is close enough to the seat that there is plenty of room. The advantage is that should there be a need to switch tanks urgently, I do not need to look for anything else. John Breda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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