Mooney TLS/Bravo - Why would I want one?

[kortopates]

No, Ovations come with a standard headwind. You got to upgrade to the Turbo’s to get one with a standard tailwind. Acclaim’s come with a 65 kt standard tailwind up high.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[larryb]

My Encore sees a headwind on 75% of its flights.

[kortopates]

do you mostly fly north-south?
that would be my guess.
still got to change those odds!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[larryb]

North east vs south west

[kortopates]

46 minutes ago, larryb said:

North east vs south west

I think the mostly crosswinds helps to explain it. 

[Pinecone]

On 5/24/2023 at 10:25 PM, larryb said:

My Encore sees a headwind on 75% of its flights.

Same with my 252/Encore.

But how do you feel about your plane based on the numbers these guys are quoting??

[ArtVandelay]

The faster your airplane flies, the more likely you will have headwinds.

[rbp]

That’s because drag increases by the square of the velocity, and you eventually start going backwards. 

[Red Leader]

Guys, to get back on topic (and why I started this thread in the first place), There is a M20M in New Jersey (estate sale) that, given the current market, appears to be a good deal.

1999 MOONEY M20M BRAVO For Sale in Lincoln Park, New Jersey | Controller.com

It looks as though the engine might be near timing-out so I haven't called the owner. Recent experience had taught me that a FF can exceed 80k for a Bravo and can take many months on backorder so, although this seems to be in good condition, I hesitate to move forward on this plane. 

Any advice from the brain trust?

[Steve Dawson]

I think this is a pretty good deal. It doesn't say whether the Garmin are WAAS but there's value there plus even if the engine needs to be rebuilt or overhauled at $80K the plane would still be worth more than the amount you'll have in it. Besides with a good pre-buy you may be able to run that engine for a while. 

This also depends on the condition of the remaining airframe. 

[Niko182]

A couple notes.

first being the useful load. It’s at 850 which isn’t great so I’d make sure that can work. The ad also states 500 since top overhaul and then 355 since top overhaul. I’d figure out which one is accurate. The prop was overhauled in feb of 2014 and has 200 hours on it which averages out to 20 hours a year of flight time. High time engine with no modification to the panel. And by the looks of it it been sitting outside by the coast since at least November which was its last flight. It looks like it has a newer transponder, but the add states a king 76c which means no Adsb. If the airframe is clean with no corrosion, which hopefully it is, it seems like an expensive project to get to a good mechanical standpoint. Add the fact that it has damage history, and you can’t bring it anywhere to actually get inspected and I’d probably run from it.

just my 2 cents.