Jpravi8tor Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 My side windows are green tinted and might be original (no log entry for replacement) The windows are foggy and need polishing/buffing to clear them up. Does anyone have recommendations for products or experience doing this task? Thanks in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 Jpr, This is your first owner / PP project that is completely legal for you to do… There is a company that makes replacement windows… You get choices of thickness, and color… or replace with the same that was there from day one…. Light solar gray is good… Clear is a terrible choice… Thicker can be better… search for PlanePlastics… Cleaning the old sealant takes the most effort… The one company (May still) also sells the other stuff you want for the project… including drills and sealants…. There are plenty of threads around here by people that have done the same… Best regards, -a- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandelay Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 Removing old interior which can be fragile after 50 years is a PITA. If you’re going to do this, might as well refurbished the interior panels. Then repaint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyboy0681 Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 There's nothing that can really be done to remove the crazing. You can spend all kinds of money on lotions and potions, but they won't do anything. The only option is replacement. I replaced two at each annual, the last being the windscreen. The difference is beyond day and night. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Igor_U Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 Replacing the side windows is allowed under owner maintenance. that is one of the first jobs I did after buying my plane years ago. It is not difficult job, parts are reasonable inexpensive (for airplanes, at least) and i was quite happy with results. I’ve done it on ramp as I didn’t have an access to the hangar at the tim good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N201MKTurbo Posted June 23, 2022 Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 The F windows are held in with a zillion screws. A lot of craftwork is involved. Makes for a more solid plane. The new planes have the windows held in with clips and sealant. A lot easier to install. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
47U Posted June 23, 2022 Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 10 hours ago, Jpravi8tor said: My side windows are green tinted and might be original (no log entry for replacement) Yours is a ‘75? Did the later year F models not retain the split rear windows? I thought the J was the first model to incorporate the single pane rear windows. No? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted June 23, 2022 Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 1 hour ago, 47U said: Yours is a ‘75? Did the later year F models not retain the split rear windows? I thought the J was the first model to incorporate the single pane rear windows. No? There may have been some late 1975 manufactured F models that were designated 75 models but had the single pane windows. I know the 76 F models were the first with the single pane rear windows and that carried over to the 1977 J model as did the quadrant controls and a few other things. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpravi8tor Posted June 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 My aircraft was a factory demonstrator and was the precursor to the J model it has many characteristics of the J 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Posted June 23, 2022 Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 21 hours ago, Jpravi8tor said: My side windows are green tinted and might be original (no log entry for replacement) The windows are foggy and need polishing/buffing to clear them up. Does anyone have recommendations for products or experience doing this task? Thanks in advance Time for new windows. Buy the 1/4" thick version and machine a step in them so they will fit flush with the skin. While the windows are out strip the paint off the first 1/2" of skin in anticipation of painting. Clarence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fly Boomer Posted June 23, 2022 Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 1 minute ago, M20Doc said: Buy the 1/4" thick version and machine a step in them so they will fit flush with the skin Is there a low-speed tool for this that won't melt the plastic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpravi8tor Posted June 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 Sooo a lot of elbow grease and Meguirs PlastiX I got the windows cleaned up somewhat 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 23, 2022 Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 5 hours ago, Fly Boomer said: Is there a low-speed tool for this that won't melt the plastic? I made a fixture for my table saw. It held the window at the correct depth and angle to mill a step in the window. I used a fine tooth carbide saw blade to cut the window. I then drilled and counter sunk the window to fit the fuselage skin. Then glued and screwed them to the airframe. Clarence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fly Boomer Posted June 24, 2022 Report Share Posted June 24, 2022 3 hours ago, M20Doc said: I made a fixture for my table saw. Cool! Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadrach Posted June 24, 2022 Report Share Posted June 24, 2022 On 6/23/2022 at 5:34 PM, Jpravi8tor said: Sooo a lot of elbow grease and Meguirs PlastiX I got the windows cleaned up somewhat Nice work. The effort you put into restoring those pales in comparison to installing new ones. My windows are 55 years old and are still clear. Do you think it was UV or abrasion that clouded your windows? What did you use to clean them? I’ve wet sanded old window with good results but it’s time consuming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpravi8tor Posted June 25, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 13 hours ago, Shadrach said: What did you use to clean them? I used Meguiars PlastX and microfiber cloth 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadrach Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Jpravi8tor said: I used Meguiars PlastX and microfiber cloth That’s probably what I would have I finished with. Glad it worked out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 On 6/24/2022 at 7:03 PM, Shadrach said: Nice work. The effort you put into restoring those pales in comparison to installing new ones. My windows are 55 years old and are still clear. Do you think it was UV or abrasion that clouded your windows? What did you use to clean them? I’ve wet sanded old window with good results but it’s time consuming. Acrylic is very sensitive to environmental issues at the surface… Oddly, UV is the biggest challenge, scratches are probably next… then acid rain and other chemicals… both don’t get very deep and can be cleaned up pretty well… Side windows don’t have the same critical nature as looking through the windscreen… Some lensing can occur when treating deeper scratches… interestingly… the old green window may not appear as green as it used to… cleaning them up may restore their greenness. My 65C’s green windows were looking gray by Y2K… They were more coke bottle green when removed, as seen from their edges… There must be different UV lights… one that causes damage, the other that passes through and causes heat in the cabin… Choose solar gray…. Best regards, -a- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m20j Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 Had the same issue with foggy '77 green windows. Went with the thicker LP Aero Plastic side windows, upgraded to the larger pilot side window opening STC, and added an opening window to the co-pilot side. Fantastic upgrades, and the solar gray looks so much better! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctsurf Posted June 28, 2022 Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 I used Novus 3-step plastic polish on my '62. I've been wanting to try it on the '67, which has windows very similar to yours in foggyness. I was amazed at how clear my '62s windows became with just some elbow grease... Not really that much! If I get it done, I will try to post before and after pictures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayMatt Posted June 28, 2022 Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 26 minutes ago, cctsurf said: I used Novus 3-step plastic polish on my '62. I've been wanting to try it on the '67, which has windows very similar to yours in foggyness. I was amazed at how clear my '62s windows became with just some elbow grease... Not really that much! If I get it done, I will try to post before and after pictures. I used this same stuff last night and it's amazing. I was just messing with getting things more perfect on my plane 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesm Posted June 28, 2022 Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 On 6/23/2022 at 3:39 PM, M20Doc said: I made a fixture for my table saw. It held the window at the correct depth and angle to mill a step in the window. I used a fine tooth carbide saw blade to cut the window. I then drilled and counter sunk the window to fit the fuselage skin. Then glued and screwed them to the airframe. Clarence by chance do you have a picture of your table saw jig for the bevel windows ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Lloyd Posted June 28, 2022 Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 When you eventually replace those windows, you will be shocked at how much better the new windows look and wonder why you did not do it sooner. New windows. Old windows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpravi8tor Posted June 28, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 that's a funny looking Mooney you have there mister! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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