Dude where’s my keys!?

[Jpravi8tor]

So I bought a project the previous owner has misplaced the keys, what’s a feller to do? M20F s/n 22-1246 

can I rekey the bendix switch or am I at the mercy of new/used parts dealers?

[DonMuncy]

1. Call a locksmith, pay big bucks and let him figure it out.

2. (a) Remove the door cylinder, take to to a locksmith, get keys at reasonable cost. 

(b) Remove the ignition switch and repeat. Wish you hadn't, as it is a pain.

3. Take it by your MSC and let him sort it out. Should work well, and cost depends on which MSC.

4. Call a half dozen of your Mooney buddies and try all their keys. High odds one or more will work. Have copies made of the one that works best.

 

[Jpravi8tor]

That is some sage advice, does the baggage door and the main entry door work on the ignition? It would be easy enough to take a lock to a locksmith. I would be happy to send a sas envelope to any member who will send me a key

[kpaul]

6 minutes ago, Jpravi8tor said:

That is some sage advice, does the baggage door and the main entry door work on the ignition? It would be easy enough to take a lock to a locksmith. I would be happy to send a sas envelope to any member who will send me a key

My baggage door and ignition are the same key, at some point the main door lock was replaced so it is different.

[DonMuncy]

Generally, the ignition key is not the same as the identical  door /baggage keys.

[markgrue]

Cost me 20 bucks for 3 keys when I took the switch to a locksmith

 

Mark 

[N201MKTurbo]

My Mooney keys have so far opened and started every plane I’ve tried them in. Sometimes they take some creative jiggling.

[N201MKTurbo]

I’m pretty sure if you jiggle it unlocked, then take a pick and push the back plate, the cylinder will come out.

[Robert Hicks]

One thing for sure do not buy the electro air push button switch. Very poor quality. About 18$ worth of parts sold for 270$.

[Hank]

4 hours ago, DonMuncy said:

Generally, the ignition key is not the same as the identical  door /baggage keys.

My Mooney has three different keys . . . .

[A64Pilot]

6 hours ago, Hank said:

My Mooney has three different keys . . . .

Mine to, but one is the fuel caps

[KB4]

All Mooney’s have key codes. Call Factory get your code, send to dude on eBay get your keys. I posted few years back “replacement key source”

 

 

[LANCECASPER]

9 hours ago, Robert Hicks said:

One thing for sure do not buy the electro air push button switch. Very poor quality. About 18$ worth of parts sold for 270$.

I put the ElectroAir ignition switch on a Bravo I had and really liked it. Also no more AD on the Bendix ignition switch.

[rbp]

what's that RIGHT ON/OFF button? for the mag?

[carusoam]

Eye check…

3 minutes ago, rbp said:

what's that RIGHT ON/OFF button? for the mag?

 

31 minutes ago, LANCECASPER said:

I put the ElectroAir ignition switch on a Bravo I had and really liked it. Also no more AD on the Bendix ignition switch.

electroair ignition switch…

-a-

[LANCECASPER]

2 hours ago, rbp said:

what's that RIGHT ON/OFF button? for the mag?

Right Mag Switch

https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/ea_08-17141.php

[LANCECASPER]

2 hours ago, KB4 said:

All Mooney’s have key codes. Call Factory get your code, send to dude on eBay get your keys. I posted few years back “replacement key source”

 

 

Your airframe logbook might even have it.

[chriscalandro]

16 hours ago, DonMuncy said:

Generally, the ignition key is not the same as the identical  door /baggage keys.

This was correct for me at first, but now after getting them copied my door keys now start the airplane as well. 

[Jpravi8tor]

Thanks for all the good info,I have emaile the factory and am looking in the logbook now. I will remove the door lock and have a key made if no luck with other avenues 

[kortopates]

Be careful about non-bendix key blanks used for your ignition key, like you would find at Lowes or Homedepot etc,  This may sound overly anal at first, but the only airworthy ignition key is a Bendix key for your Bendix ignition switch and here's why. Use of a non-bendix key in the ignition switch has been shown to be able to removed from the ignition switch without the key being moved to the Off position - in other words in a position where the one or both mags are still hot. I unfortunately learned this after someone at my home base died because of it. A student pilot pulled the key after shutting down, got out to push back plane back and was hit by the prop when moved it.

The Mooney door lock is merely a $3 Chicago Cabinet lock and I know the use of cabinet lock keys for ignition switches is prolific. And folks aren't likely to replace with them with a Bendix key blank after hearing this, but be sure to test any ignition key you might be using to ensure it can not be removed without the key in the Off position. Otherwise its a set up to see a repeat of the above needless tragedy.  

[Oscar Avalle]

On 5/8/2022 at 7:48 AM, LANCECASPER said:

I put the ElectroAir ignition switch on a Bravo I had and really liked it. Also no more AD on the Bendix ignition switch.

I did the same love it and changed the door and baggage door locks to an aircraft security barrel and key. They give you a code and if you need you can reorder a key based on that code.

[A64Pilot]

My 1946 Cessna has two toggle switches, one for each mag, the starter is operated via a pull cable that first engages the starter bendix, then closes big contacts on the starter. 

No AD 

[rbp]

27 minutes ago, A64Pilot said:

1946 Cessna has two toggle switches, one for each mag

Citabria the same

[47U]

4 minutes ago, rbp said:

Citabria the same

After I replaced the left mag with a SureFly, if I wasn’t quick on the mag check I’d get after-fire.  Since my mag switch was worn out and needed the overhaul kit, I replaced it with two DPDT toggle switches.  I moved the toggle switches and the master switch to the top of the center stack at the same time and freed up a little panel space.  It was a lot cheaper than the mag switch overhaul kit or Electro Air option.  And no more after-fire.  

[Guest]

This might be helpful, from the X43002-1 manual.

Clarence