aerobat95 Posted December 30, 2011 Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 Hey guys is this part the starter relay? where can I get a new one if I find it to be bad? Ray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 Looks like a master relay to me. A starter solenoid you you can get quickly from Lasar or google it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 Ray, I think you are correct. It's definately not the master relay. The master relay is mounted on the battery box behind the rear seat. I've had to change that one already so I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTaylor Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 I have the same relay that is acting up. Ray, did you find a part number for it? I am finding a cross reference to a X61-0030, but it has four poles rather than three and does not look the same. Anyone have a different replacement number for the starter relay? If you used a x61-0030 do you have a wring diagram? My A&P would like to see that. Tim 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1964-M20E Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 You can get the Lamar solenoid at Aircraft Spruce. However, I'd question a mechanic's ability if he does not know how to hook up a starter solenoid. I' sure the new one comes with a schematic. Of course electrical just may be his weak point and he is very good at everything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTaylor Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 You can get the Lamar solenoid at Aircraft Spruce. However, I'd question a mechanic's ability if he does not know how to hook up a starter solenoid. I' sure the new one comes with a schematic. Of course electrical just may be his weak point and he is very good at everything else. John, Thanks for the confirmation that the Lamar will work. My A&P is just being cautious. He could not find a schematic for the Mooney that showed the fourth wire back to ground for the switch and the Lamar site shows the X61-0030 as non-PMA. I have not found any other alternatives that are available and TSO or PMA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butchgilbert Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 Ray, I've had the pleasure of replacing both the Master Relay and the Starter Relay. I would turn the starter key and get this ratcheting noise, I had a mechanic replace it, it has worked fine ever since (mine was a 3 prong 12V starter). It really is doorbell technology, not hard to do, but getting the bolts loosened and tightened in the pilots footwell is really a lot of fun! Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimluper Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Reading the post is appears the Lamar X61-0030 intermittent duty starter relay was use to replace the original equipment. A couple of questions, first is the original 3 post starter relay still available? If not is the Lamar a legal replacement? Also if I understand correctly on the Lamar the second small post is connect to ground to complete the circuit from the starter switch. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTaylor Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Reading the post is appears the Lamar X61-0030 intermittent duty starter relay was use to replace the original equipment. A couple of questions, first is the original 3 post starter relay still available? If not is the Lamar a legal replacement? Also if I understand correctly on the Lamar the second small post is connect to ground to complete the circuit from the starter switch. Thanks I could not find the three post when I was looking and yes the fourth post goes to ground. On the original the switch ground was established through the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaV8or Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 A couple of years back, I replaced my starter solenoid. I spoke with LASAR about it and they said they just use the Lamar solenoid. I guess because there is no PMA'd part available from anyone, the regs allow a like kind replacement. Anyhow, I took LASAR's word for it, bought the unit from Spruce put it in with a sign off from a local IA and all has been well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimluper Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 I called Lamar and the support staff confirmed this is a direct replacement. They had me go to their web site down load the wiring diagram. It seems that both Piper and Cessna issued a service bulletin allowing the change in starter relay. However for a Mooney to be strictly legal the suggest filing a FAA Form 337 to get as the support person said a rubber stamp. The Lamar starter relay is "a replacement for obsolete 12 volt and 24 volt contactors". It sure would be nice if Mooney also issued a service bulletin. (maybe they did? anyone know) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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