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[StevenL757]

A few points...

• When asking for "flight following", the proper term should be "VFR advisories".  Many use the former, but the latter should be used.
• When repeating your squawk code, just repeat the code and your callsign.  Saying things like "here comes the flash" is bad phraseology, and excessive.  The controller already knows what the code does on his/her end.
• When calling in after switching to a new frequency, please start doing two things...
  • Use your full callsign.  Many times a new controller will not immediately know who you are.
  • Avoid saying "Mooney 6887 is with you at three thousand four hundred".  A simple "Mooney 6887, three thousand four hundred" is sufficient.  They know you're with them...you keyed the mike and are talking.  Again, delete the extraneous comms.
• If you're about to enter the world of IFR flight if/when you pass your IFR Practical exam, you need to be brief.  In actual IFR, you'll be under more pressure than you imagine.  Talking less will reduce your workload and increase your SA...especially in our busy NE airspace.

I'm also curious why are you calling into Columbia County telling them you're on an instrument procedure (at 35:31; telling them you're "on an RNAV to 3") when you clearly cannot see the field, have no instructor on board, and you don't hold an instrument rating to properly execute the procedure.  Inviting @donkaye or any other instructors to weigh in, as I clearly must be missing something here...

[carusoam]

@PilotFun101 Chris,

When you get a chance… see what notes Steven has left for you above…

Best regards,

-a-

[Mooney Dog]

1 hour ago, StevenL757 said:

A few points...

• When asking for "flight following", the proper term should be "VFR advisories".  Many use the former, but the latter should be used.
• When repeating your squawk code, just repeat the code and your callsign.  Saying things like "here comes the flash" is bad phraseology, and excessive.  The controller already knows what the code does on his/her end.
• When calling in after switching to a new frequency, please start doing two things...
  • Use your full callsign.  Many times a new controller will not immediately know who you are.
  • Avoid saying "Mooney 6887 is with you at three thousand four hundred".  A simple "Mooney 6887, three thousand four hundred" is sufficient.  They know you're with them...you keyed the mike and are talking.  Again, delete the extraneous comms.
• If you're about to enter the world of IFR flight if/when you pass your IFR Practical exam, you need to be brief.  In actual IFR, you'll be under more pressure than you imagine.  Talking less will reduce your workload and increase your SA...especially in our busy NE airspace.

I'm also curious why are you calling into Columbia County telling them you're on an instrument procedure (at 35:31; telling them you're "on an RNAV to 3") when you clearly cannot see the field, have no instructor on board, and you don't hold an instrument rating to properly execute the procedure?  Inviting @donkaye or any other instructors to weigh in, as I clearly must be missing something here...

Just to touch on two of your points.

Saying "looking for flight following" is fine from a modern standpoint. 

Any time you get a new freq you should 100% say your full callsign. I totally agree. 

 

To add a point. I try to avoid saying for. It sounds like four. Its not a huge deal but its confused a few people and controllers. 

 

At 35:31 he did say he was on the rnav 3, and unless i missed him doing a popup, you are totally correct, that should not have been said. In reality, even if you're on an IFR doing an Rnav, I believe you should say you're straight in for the runway as well. Full call being something like "X traffic, Mooney 123 on the Rnav 18, 5 mile final 18, X traffic" if you even say you're on the rnav in the first place.

I might be missing this but when he does his go around, he calls a go around for the opposite runway? Its easy to pick out things post flight though. Mistakes do happen, its how you deal with and fix them that matters.  

Edited August 9, 2021 by Mooney Dog

[KB4]

On 8/8/2021 at 9:52 PM, StevenL757 said:

A few points...

• When asking for "flight following", the proper term should be "VFR advisories".  Many use the former, but the latter should be used.
• When repeating your squawk code, just repeat the code and your callsign.  Saying things like "here comes the flash" is bad phraseology, and excessive.  The controller already knows what the code does on his/her end.
• When calling in after switching to a new frequency, please start doing two things...
  • Use your full callsign.  Many times a new controller will not immediately know who you are.
  • Avoid saying "Mooney 6887 is with you at three thousand four hundred".  A simple "Mooney 6887, three thousand four hundred" is sufficient.  They know you're with them...you keyed the mike and are talking.  Again, delete the extraneous comms.
• If you're about to enter the world of IFR flight if/when you pass your IFR Practical exam, you need to be brief.  In actual IFR, you'll be under more pressure than you imagine.  Talking less will reduce your workload and increase your SA...especially in our busy NE airspace.

I'm also curious why are you calling into Columbia County telling them you're on an instrument procedure (at 35:31; telling them you're "on an RNAV to 3") when you clearly cannot see the field, have no instructor on board, and you don't hold an instrument rating to properly execute the procedure?  Inviting @donkaye or any other instructors to weigh in, as I clearly must be missing something here...

Agreed.  From AIM For traffic say “Request Traffic Advisories. “ or just Request Advisories works fine  

Handed off, yes full call sign it’s a new controller.  

call sign and either “checking in” or just “with you” they know your altitude and see you already you don’t need to say it unless assigned. 

 If you need to practice an Instrument Approach in VFR and visual with an instructor or rated safety pilot just ask for “ VFR request” Mooney go ahead “request practice RNAV 21 at 1B1 using my own NAV”. This way you don’t jam anyone up in already in sequence and no extra work load on controller.  Even if your Navigator gives you the IAP waypoints and step downs you are not permitted to just go fly the procedure without a rating or rated pilot on board and ATC clearance.  
 

[PilotFun101]

On 8/10/2021 at 11:16 AM, KB4 said:

Agreed.  From AIM For traffic say “Request Traffic Advisories. “ or just Request Advisories works fine  

Handed off, yes full call sign it’s a new controller.  

call sign and either “checking in” or just “with you” they know your altitude and see you already you don’t need to say it unless assigned. 

 If you need to practice an Instrument Approach in VFR and visual with an instructor or rated safety pilot just ask for “ VFR request” Mooney go ahead “request practice RNAV 21 at 1B1 using my own NAV”. This way you don’t jam anyone up in already in sequence and no extra work load on controller.  Even if your Navigator gives you the IAP waypoints and step downs you are not permitted to just go fly the procedure without a rating or rated pilot on board and ATC clearance.  
 

I really don’t edit out my mistakes. I should have said a practice RNAV. I do that to practice and practice with the IFD.  I was not on a flight plan. When I noticed I could not make or see the runway until the last minute I went around.  And of course messed up the RWY call sign. But got it right there after. Again I saw all this when I was editing the video and left it. Cutting down some chatter I agree with.  It’s just a habit. My call sign always goofs people up so I don’t use the whole call sign wants acknowledge but I most always use Mooney 87N. Thank you all for the good comments.  One of the reasons I don’t edit most stiff out is for the feed back.  I just exit out the boring parts. Lol 

[RobertGary1]

When flying an approach into a non controlled field assume the other pilots are not familiar with the instrument approaches and provide your position as you would if vfr. “10 mile final runway 12” vs “foo intersection on rnav 12”. 

[carusoam]

On 8/15/2021 at 7:41 AM, RobertGary1 said:

When flying an approach into a non controlled field assume the other pilots are not familiar with the instrument approaches and provide your position as you would if vfr. “10 mile final runway 12” vs “foo intersection on rnav 12”. 

As a young VFR pilot… I always wondered why the IFR pilots would reference waypoints that I had no idea existed….

-a-

[vorlon1]

On 8/13/2021 at 6:08 PM, PilotFun101 said:

I really don’t edit out my mistakes. I should have said a practice RNAV. I do that to practice and practice with the IFD.  I was not on a flight plan. When I noticed I could not make or see the runway until the last minute I went around.  And of course messed up the RWY call sign. But got it right there after. Again I saw all this when I was editing the video and left it. Cutting down some chatter I agree with.  It’s just a habit. My call sign always goofs people up so I don’t use the whole call sign wants acknowledge but I most always use Mooney 87N. Thank you all for the good comments.  One of the reasons I don’t edit most stiff out is for the feed back.  I just exit out the boring parts. Lol 

Not that I've ever made a mistake or the radio... 

Keep up the good work and keep posting 

[JimB]

On 8/8/2021 at 9:52 PM, StevenL757 said:

I'm also curious why are you calling into Columbia County telling them you're on an instrument procedure (at 35:31; telling them you're "on an RNAV to 3") when you clearly cannot see the field, have no instructor on board, and you don't hold an instrument rating to properly execute the procedure.  Inviting @donkaye or any other instructors to weigh in, as I clearly must be missing something here...

So I'd like a little more info here. I am not instrument rated but have been working on my rating. As long as you remain VFR, is there something wrong with a non-instrument rated pilot practicing an approach or other instrument procedure not under the hood and not with a safety pilot/instructor? You can't file an instrument flight plan and of course you cannot be in actual instrument conditions or under the hood but I didn't think there was anything wrong with doing some practice. 

[Jerry 5TJ]

49 minutes ago, JimB said:

As long as you remain VFR, is there something wrong with a non-instrument rated pilot practicing an approach

It is good practice and is legal.  
I call this a “heads-up” approach as you are looking outside as you fly the procedure.  

[JimB]

15 minutes ago, Jerry 5TJ said:

It is good practice and is legal.  
I call this a “heads-up” approach as you are looking outside as you fly the procedure.  

Ok thanks. That's what I thought and just wanted to be sure I wasn't missing something. 

[KB4]

On 8/30/2021 at 10:05 AM, JimB said:

So I'd like a little more info here. I am not instrument rated but have been working on my rating. As long as you remain VFR, is there something wrong with a non-instrument rated pilot practicing an approach or other instrument procedure not under the hood and not with a safety pilot/instructor? You can't file an instrument flight plan and of course you cannot be in actual instrument conditions or under the hood but I didn't think there was anything wrong with doing some practice. 

Working on rating is perfect time to master the radio coms for IFR so just call em up and get a clearance it’s that simple.  App Mooney 1969Fox VFR request.  Go ahead. Mooney 69Fox is a M20Papa slant G (If you have) requesting practice ILS 6 or RNAV XX.  If they are busy tell them you want to use your own NAV. Then they will want to know how the APP will terminate, missed and published hold or whatever…

No you are not supposed to go to IF or IAF or Feeder route and just start flying the IAP.  ATC and other aircraft in the system and sequence are not expecting you to be there. Is it “illegal,” I don’t know, but I argue it’s bad practice without talking to ATC. 

[carusoam]

Wellllll, wha do ya know…

As a VFR pilot… you are going to do VFR things… like navigate from a VOR to an airport… using the victor highway system….

Which just happens to be the same path many IFR flights are following…. When flying their IFR approaches…

 

As a new pilot, I thought navigating by VORs was going to be interesting…

Until you see soooo many airplanes approaching that same point in the sky….  More below 3k’ agl….

Probably one of the first times I remember hearing… keep your head on a swivel….  

 

Plenty of traffic when following victor highways, and approaching VORs, and approaching runways…

Keep Your head up, talk with ATC, don’t let the bright colorful screens keep you from spotting traffic…

 

Position reporting can be pretty helpful as well… for the other VFR planes in the same area…

 

PP thoughts only, not a CFI…

Best regards,

-a-