Parker_Woodruff Posted October 31, 2020 Report Posted October 31, 2020 See the Mooney website - carbon cowl is in the works! 1 Quote
carusoam Posted October 31, 2020 Report Posted October 31, 2020 Three pieces of news... 1) Carbon cowl for the Old Os... (not quite double the UL benefit, but some additional lead will come out of the back too....) 2) Carbon cowl for the Js... 3) Txi for the G1000s https://www.mooney.com -Jonny getting the message out... Best regards, -a- 2 Quote
PT20J Posted October 31, 2020 Report Posted October 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Parker_Woodruff said: See the Mooney website - carbon cowl is in the works! I hope they fix it so it doesn't ride up and tilt back out of alignment with the spinner like the original. Quote
philiplane Posted October 31, 2020 Report Posted October 31, 2020 The durability should be better, but I don't see how they can cut much weight from the cowl itself simply by changing the material. Aluminum parts are generally lighter than composites. Unless they are changing baffles/oil coolers, hoses, etc as part of the package. Quote
Parker_Woodruff Posted October 31, 2020 Author Report Posted October 31, 2020 30 minutes ago, PT20J said: I hope they fix it so it doesn't ride up and tilt back out of alignment with the spinner like the original. I've heard this is fixed with the Ovation carbon cowl 1 Quote
EricJ Posted October 31, 2020 Report Posted October 31, 2020 I 39 minutes ago, PT20J said: I hope they fix it so it doesn't ride up and tilt back out of alignment with the spinner like the original. I hope the J cowl has the ram air delete. And fix the cowl flaps while they're at it. 2 1 Quote
carusoam Posted October 31, 2020 Report Posted October 31, 2020 More interesting details to share with @Jonny... Best regards, -a- Quote
AerostarDriver Posted October 31, 2020 Report Posted October 31, 2020 Maybe, just maybe they will sell them without the zeus fasterns installed or predrilled. I would love to do a field approval on my E for a Carbon J Cowl. Quote
mooneyflyfast Posted November 1, 2020 Report Posted November 1, 2020 6 hours ago, PT20J said: I hope they fix it so it doesn't ride up and tilt back out of alignment with the spinner like the original. Lasar makes a kit for that. Works well Quote
ZuluZulu Posted November 2, 2020 Report Posted November 2, 2020 Will there be two versions -- one for models with cowl-mounted landing lights, and one for those with lights in the wings? @Jonny Quote
wcb Posted November 2, 2020 Report Posted November 2, 2020 @Jonny will this work or STC for an F if you change spinner etc? Quote
rbridges Posted November 2, 2020 Report Posted November 2, 2020 how much useful load increase are we talking about. I didn't think the J cowl weighed that much, but I guess 10lbs or so is substantial if that's the case. Quote
aviatoreb Posted November 2, 2020 Report Posted November 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, rbridges said: how much useful load increase are we talking about. I didn't think the J cowl weighed that much, but I guess 10lbs or so is substantial if that's the case. That also changes balance a lot since it is from the nose. 1 Quote
Tim Jodice Posted November 2, 2020 Report Posted November 2, 2020 Are they an aerodynamic improvement as well? Quote
1001001 Posted November 2, 2020 Report Posted November 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, aviatoreb said: That also changes balance a lot since it is from the nose. I find my J lands a lot better with weight in the baggage area, so lightening the cowl could help that situation and reduce ballast weight that people may carry for this reason. 1 Quote
aviatoreb Posted November 2, 2020 Report Posted November 2, 2020 14 minutes ago, 1001001 said: I find my J lands a lot better with weight in the baggage area, so lightening the cowl could help that situation and reduce ballast weight that people may carry for this reason. My rocket used to be very nose heavy with the big metal McCauley 3 blade that came with the conversion. I switched to a 4 blade MT prop that is 35lb lighter and that much weight off the far end of the nose totally changed the feel of the airplane as far as balance is concerned. It now feels nice and nimble, whether hand flying or landing. Quote
gsxrpilot Posted November 2, 2020 Report Posted November 2, 2020 I wish there was one in the works for the 252. 1 Quote
Missile=Awesome Posted November 2, 2020 Report Posted November 2, 2020 1 hour ago, aviatoreb said: My rocket used to be very nose heavy with the big metal McCauley 3 blade that came with the conversion. I switched to a 4 blade MT prop that is 35lb lighter and that much weight off the far end of the nose totally changed the feel of the airplane as far as balance is concerned. It now feels nice and nimble, whether hand flying or landing. Interesting. On Missile you just trim and plane feels like my E...but better. 1 Quote
1001001 Posted November 2, 2020 Report Posted November 2, 2020 1 hour ago, aviatoreb said: My rocket used to be very nose heavy with the big metal McCauley 3 blade that came with the conversion. I switched to a 4 blade MT prop that is 35lb lighter and that much weight off the far end of the nose totally changed the feel of the airplane as far as balance is concerned. It now feels nice and nimble, whether hand flying or landing. I also have a McCauley 3 blade on my J. I never checked the weight of it vs the original 2 blade. If I went back through the logs I bet I could find it. It was installed way before I owned the airplany. I am going to be putting an MT 3 blade on the RV-10 I'm building, but probably not going to change the Mooney prop if I don't have an absolute need to do so, although I have heard great things about the MT on the Mooney. 1 Quote
aviatoreb Posted November 2, 2020 Report Posted November 2, 2020 37 minutes ago, Missile=Awesome said: Interesting. On Missile you just trim and plane feels like my E...but better. I think the missile and the rocket have a very very is similar size, weight and balance. Mine was also flying very nicely when fully trimmed. But then when I took so much weight off the nose, it is flying even much more so very nicely. 1 Quote
aviatoreb Posted November 2, 2020 Report Posted November 2, 2020 24 minutes ago, 1001001 said: I also have a McCauley 3 blade on my J. I never checked the weight of it vs the original 2 blade. If I went back through the logs I bet I could find it. It was installed way before I owned the airplany. I am going to be putting an MT 3 blade on the RV-10 I'm building, but probably not going to change the Mooney prop if I don't have an absolute need to do so, although I have heard great things about the MT on the Mooney. Not all 3 blade McCauley's are the same. The one on the rocket conversion came from the Cessna 340/414 just like the engine, and I think it is about 85lb (memory so go easy on me). Ready in the Cessna setting to absorb 335hp. So my guess is it it quite a bit more heavy than the smaller 3 blade McCauley on your J ready to absorb 200hp. Quote
rbridges Posted November 2, 2020 Report Posted November 2, 2020 2 hours ago, gsxrpilot said: I wish there was one in the works for the 252. I wish I could say that I owned a 252. 4 Quote
1001001 Posted November 2, 2020 Report Posted November 2, 2020 20 minutes ago, aviatoreb said: Not all 3 blade McCauley's are the same. The one on the rocket conversion came from the Cessna 340/414 just like the engine, and I think it is about 85lb (memory so go easy on me). Ready in the Cessna setting to absorb 335hp. So my guess is it it quite a bit more heavy than the smaller 3 blade McCauley on your J ready to absorb 200hp. I found a record that says my prop weight 71.3 lb, but no record of the original weight. I imagine it has to be more that the original 2 blade. Quote
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