GMBrown Posted October 4, 2020 Report Posted October 4, 2020 I was looking on Garmin's web site regarding when an A/P might be available for the C and noticed that only 1965 and forward will be getting the nod. Anybody know why the 64 ands before may be different than the subsequent Cs and therefore unable to be fitted with the Garmin A/P? Quote
kerry Posted October 4, 2020 Report Posted October 4, 2020 Weird. Maybe Garmin doesn't like the shape of the rear windows in a 1964 M20C. Quote
47U Posted October 4, 2020 Report Posted October 4, 2020 Wasn’t ‘65 the first year that Positive Control was available? Is that the same year the lower surfaces of the ailerons were no longer had a concave curvature? That change (whatever year it happened) lightened up the control forces, right? 2 Quote
carusoam Posted October 4, 2020 Report Posted October 4, 2020 65 was the year of many things getting refined... There are just small step between M20Bs and the last M20C... including... Aerleron updates rudder size rudder throw Getting the Brittain system installed (this way, the Servo mounts are in place already...) Lets say... updating the finer details to enable the installation of the G device, would be technically possible... PP thoughts only, not a mechanic... Best regards, -a- Quote
wcb Posted October 5, 2020 Report Posted October 5, 2020 I may be wrong but I think in 65 the actual building of the C was more refined and more process driven making the 65 and newer models were more standard. At least when I owned a 63 C that was part of my understanding of the history of why certain things were different for mine than a newer C. Quote
RobertGary1 Posted October 5, 2020 Report Posted October 5, 2020 I guess they figure there isn't a big enough market to spend the time on certification for the earlier Mooneys? -Robert Quote
RobertGary1 Posted October 5, 2020 Report Posted October 5, 2020 They do say they expect to start testing the A and B models next year. Will they skip early C's? -Robert Quote
carusoam Posted October 6, 2020 Report Posted October 6, 2020 If they are going all the way to M20A... they want everybody to own a Big G AP... M20Cs have large numbers built... get them all... Best regards, -a- Quote
steingar Posted October 6, 2020 Report Posted October 6, 2020 I'm not going to hold my breath. Thankfully my airplane sports an STEC, though roll control only. Beats vapor ware all to hell. 1 Quote
59Moonster Posted October 6, 2020 Report Posted October 6, 2020 On 10/5/2020 at 10:40 AM, RobertGary1 said: They do say they expect to start testing the A and B models next year. Will they skip early C's? -Robert It's said that for a year now. I talked to someone and said they might be interested in my plane, but to contact them next year Quote
Greg Ellis Posted October 7, 2020 Report Posted October 7, 2020 So, I decided, just out of curiosity sake and since I have been waiting for this Garmin autopilot for my 63 C model, to shoot an e-mail to Garmin to see if they would provide me any answers to why anything earlier than the 63 C model has been excluded so far. The following is the answer I received and highlights what some others on this forum have already said... Good Morning Greg, The main reason is the Mooney M20C models before 1964 are structurally different and requires a different installation kit/setup to complete. We are currently have this on schedule for early 2021 to start the certification process. Regards, Chad Aviation Support 1 Quote
MIm20c Posted October 7, 2020 Report Posted October 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Greg Ellis said: So, I decided, just out of curiosity sake and since I have been waiting for this Garmin autopilot for my 63 C model, to shoot an e-mail to Garmin to see if they would provide me any answers to why anything earlier than the 63 C model has been excluded so far. The following is the answer I received and highlights what some others on this forum have already said... Good Morning Greg, The main reason is the Mooney M20C models before 1964 are structurally different and requires a different installation kit/setup to complete. We are currently have this on schedule for early 2021 to start the certification process. Regards, Chad Aviation Support That’s good news that they won’t be forgotten. Still might be first available vs TT and Dynon... Quote
carusoam Posted October 7, 2020 Report Posted October 7, 2020 Greg, you just qualified as a great MSer... A typical great MSer... when confronted with a challenge... doesn’t mind making a phone call, or sending an email... Then posts the results here... This question has left a few MSers with a bit of unease... as if they got passed over... Realistically, Big G wants everyone to have their AP.... Just takes a little more time to make that happen... no permanent exclusions... Best regards, -a- 1 Quote
Andy95W Posted October 8, 2020 Report Posted October 8, 2020 What about the 1964 M20E models? If those are included with the rest of the E's, but the 1964 M20Cs are not, I think Garmin's reasoning might be a load of bunk. Quote
Niko182 Posted October 8, 2020 Report Posted October 8, 2020 4 hours ago, Andy95W said: What about the 1964 M20E models? If those are included with the rest of the E's, but the 1964 M20Cs are not, I think Garmin's reasoning might be a load of bunk. Every pre 65 c d e is excluded. Not just the C 1 Quote
GMBrown Posted October 10, 2020 Author Report Posted October 10, 2020 (edited) If the Garmin guy didn't misspeak, he has different info than is on the website, since the website says no upgrade for the C prior to 65, not 64. Although if he says the whole situation will sort itself out in time, I guess we'll see. They made a lot of Cs prior to 65 and I'll bet their owners are as anxious as the later C guys for A/P upgrades. Not as though there are many options... Thanks Greg for contacting Garmin. Edited October 10, 2020 by GMBrown Quote
Buckeyechuck Posted October 11, 2020 Report Posted October 11, 2020 I was about to be p\€€£d at Garmin. I’ve upgraded the panel In my ‘62 C with 2 G5’s, and a 650 and other goodies in preparation for the autopilot. Even have everything prewired. Guess I’ll need to wait a bit longer. Quote
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