Jeph357 Posted July 24, 2020 Report Share Posted July 24, 2020 Going to do the shoulder harness install. Know there are alot of threads but will try to post pictures as I get at it today starting on the "hard side" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted July 24, 2020 Report Share Posted July 24, 2020 No laying down on the job... it’s the first day! -a- Hmmm.... that looks better... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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carusoam Posted July 24, 2020 Report Share Posted July 24, 2020 Great pics Jeph! Thanks for sharing them. Best regards, -a- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted July 24, 2020 Report Share Posted July 24, 2020 Gee that is way too easy. The 63 C model has an aluminum box around the tube that had to be cut out to make room for the bracket 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeph357 Posted July 24, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2020 One side done with a buddy stopping by and shooting the $h!+ for 2 hrs 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooneyMitch Posted July 24, 2020 Report Share Posted July 24, 2020 Congratulations..... may you never need them . 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jeph357 Posted July 24, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2020 Both sides done now clean up and seats back in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammdo Posted July 24, 2020 Report Share Posted July 24, 2020 This is nice! Just a few questions: did you install the shoulder harness first then install the trim? if so, do you have pics of how you ‘notched’ the trim (left and right side) to get it over the shoulder harness? -Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Taylor Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 Okay...feeling rather stupid, since nobody else asked...am I the only one who doesn't know that the yellow holder/bracket is? What is that for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rwsavory Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 13 minutes ago, Ross Taylor said: Okay...feeling rather stupid, since nobody else asked...am I the only one who doesn't know that the yellow holder/bracket is? What is that for? ELT? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLCarter Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, Rwsavory said: ELT? correct (pretty sure) my buddies C has the ELT mounted in the same place and sure looks like his 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeph357 Posted July 25, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 2 hours ago, hammdo said: This is nice! Just a few questions: did you install the shoulder harness first then install the trim? if so, do you have pics of how you ‘notched’ the trim (left and right side) to get it over the shoulder harness? -Don Put on clamp and hardware with trim off, place trim up and mark where the bolt will pop thru drill a hole and then step drill a little oversized. Then you will assemble everything prior to attaching trim. But trim will be placed on while you install reel and hardware. 46 minutes ago, Ross Taylor said: Okay...feeling rather stupid, since nobody else asked...am I the only one who doesn't know that the yellow holder/bracket is? What is that for? Yes is ELT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0TreeLemur Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 I recommend that your back seats need shoulder harnesses next, unless nobody ever rides back there. There are documented cases of Mooney crashes where front seat passengers with shoulder harnesses survived an impact, but rear seat passengers without shoulder harnesses received fatal injuries. In some ways the rear shoulder harness mount is easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 The seat belt install looks fantastic! Side note... If ready for another project that is much easier... There are replacements available for the vent window including hardware.... From the same manufacturer as the windows.... GLAP(?) Best regards, -a- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeph357 Posted July 25, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) Thanks -A- I'm happy with the shoulder harnesses. We all know there is always another project... Have the electric step kit already.... Vent window functions as advertised..... Engine monitor is topping the list after all the projects that are already on stand by waiting. But want to do the whole panel at once. Not a fun project more than once with the 201 windshield. That'll be a big one. Edited July 25, 2020 by Jeph357 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctsurf Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 2 hours ago, 0TreeLemur said: I recommend that your back seats need shoulder harnesses next, unless nobody ever rides back there. There are documented cases of Mooney crashes where front seat passengers with shoulder harnesses survived an impact, but rear seat passengers without shoulder harnesses received fatal injuries. In some ways the rear shoulder harness mount is easier. I've never heard of an stc for installing the rear shoulder harnesses... My understanding is that the cage is not located correctly for that install... I hope I'm wrong, because I would love to have rear shoulder harnesses. 19 hours ago, Floyd said: Gee that is way too easy. The 63 C model has an aluminum box around the tube that had to be cut out to make room for the bracket I'd love to know how you accomplished it. (especially getting the bracket around the tube once the aluminum box was cut) I've heard that the cage is so close to the skin and window that people have had to remove windows or slide the bracket down from the top to install... That seems impossible with the aluminum box. I looked at that myself and wondered what to do. Another issue on my 'C is that the ELT is mounted almost exactly where the shoulder harness would mount... I think I've heard about moving it to the rear of the window... Really want the shoulder harnesses...Never want to use them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Robins Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 Where did you buy the harness kit and what did it cost? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0TreeLemur Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 1 hour ago, cctsurf said: I've never heard of an stc for installing the rear shoulder harnesses... My understanding is that the cage is not located correctly for that install... I hope I'm wrong, because I would love to have rear shoulder harnesses. I'd love to know how you accomplished it. (especially getting the bracket around the tube once the aluminum box was cut) I've heard that the cage is so close to the skin and window that people have had to remove windows or slide the bracket down from the top to install... That seems impossible with the aluminum box. I looked at that myself and wondered what to do. Another issue on my 'C is that the ELT is mounted almost exactly where the shoulder harness would mount... I think I've heard about moving it to the rear of the window... Really want the shoulder harnesses...Never want to use them. On our '67 C there is no aluminum box, so we didn't have to deal with that. These mounts were made from 4130 steel, bent in a brake, shaped, and epoxy painted. They are connected to the steel cage. See the two bolts that connect the steel tube frame to the empennage, they show up particularly well on the rhs photo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeph357 Posted July 25, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, 0TreeLemur said: On our '67 C there is no aluminum box, so we didn't have to deal with that. These mounts were made from 4130 steel, bent in a brake, shaped, and epoxy painted. They are connected to the steel cage. See the two bolts that connect the steel tube frame to the empennage, they show up particularly well on the rhs photo. I would absolutely do them. Were they a 337 field approval? Or is there an existing stc? Also Any specs or drawings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionudakis Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 The rears are next on my list ! I had a similar idea but hadn't got to work on it yet. Thanks for the pics. AC43.13 covers this install for belt installs, basic design, and function, similar to the front, No cutting or welding. You wont get a field approval (at least in the south) nor an STC. I've tried on other aircraft before. Its amazing how hard the FAA has made it improve the safety of older designs. AC 43.13, and sign it off as minor alteration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0TreeLemur Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Lionudakis said: AC43.13 covers this install for belt installs, basic design, and function, similar to the front, No cutting or welding. You wont get a field approval (at least in the south) nor an STC. I've tried on other aircraft before. Its amazing how hard the FAA has made it improve the safety of older designs. AC 43.13, and sign it off as minor alteration. Correct, no cutting or welding required. This is the approach I took after talking it over with my A&P IA. Better to have shoulder harnesses. Here's a photo showing the installed rear left-side shoulder harness. We bought new seat belts for the front seats with the push-button type latches, and moved the front seat belts to the rear seat. I like having the push-button style up front, much less interference with the Johnson Bar and my knuckles. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionudakis Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 Looks good ! Thanks for pics 14 minutes ago, 0TreeLemur said: Correct, no cutting or welding required. This is the approach I took after talking it over with my A&P IA. Better to have shoulder harnesses. Here's a photo showing the installed rear left-side shoulder harness. We bought new seat belts for the front seats with the push-button type latches, and moved the front seat belts to the rear seat. I like having the push-button style up front, much less interference with the Johnson Bar and my knuckles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0TreeLemur Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 12 minutes ago, Lionudakis said: Looks good ! Thanks for pics You're welcome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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