Hank Posted July 24, 2020 Report Share Posted July 24, 2020 18 minutes ago, aviatoreb said: Indeed! And 1.1mph is 2956.79 furlongs per fortnight. My high school physics teache's favorite unit! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviatoreb Posted July 24, 2020 Report Share Posted July 24, 2020 51 minutes ago, kortopates said: I’ve done it, not with Lasar’s but with my factory wingtips and have done it twice now with 2 different antenna’s. After exhaustive speed runs, by my excel calculations the speed difference came out 3.14159 kts. at 9500’ +/- 3 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Touche'! Who here remembers that one time I posted one million digits of pi, but then everyone got mad at me since it ended up freezing up people's downloads? I learned a lesson that day. Friends don't use too many significant digits with friends. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviatoreb Posted July 24, 2020 Report Share Posted July 24, 2020 43 minutes ago, carusoam said: It’s a challenge to be mathematically funny... You guys have nailed it! -a- I don't know what you are talking about. We are being absolutely 100.3% serious. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kortopates Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 1 hour ago, aviatoreb said: Touche'! Who here remembers that one time I posted one million digits of pi, but then everyone got mad at me since it ended up freezing up people's downloads? I learned a lesson that day. Friends don't use too many significant digits with friends. Erik, I can't believe there is single MSer around at the time that doesn't forget that! But FTR, I surely didn't have an issue with it, I like significant digits as much as any nerd How about 2 million on your next b-day! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviatoreb Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 1 hour ago, kortopates said: Erik, I can't believe there is single MSer around at the time that doesn't forget that! But FTR, I surely didn't have an issue with it, I like significant digits as much as any nerd How about 2 million on your next b-day! Thanks for remembering - 2 million on my next birthday? You got it! :-) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 On 7/23/2020 at 4:01 PM, Kris_Adams said: Any chance someone knows what it would take to get an order through? Do we need a minimum of 10 people to sign up? I'm pretty sure I'd be up for this. -K Is the Aveo Wingtip not for the short bodies? I can see if Damien at Aveo may want to use a customer for certification for a short body. If it already is good to go then you can buy them. -Seth 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kris_adams Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 18 hours ago, Seth said: Is the Aveo Wingtip not for the short bodies? I can see if Damien at Aveo may want to use a customer for certification for a short body. If it already is good to go then you can buy them. -Seth Didn't think it covered the J. Would love to hear if it does. -K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolfldg Posted August 11, 2020 Report Share Posted August 11, 2020 I saw some very large dihedral winglets custom made for a Lancair IV-P, flight testing show pretty amazing gains in cruise speed, climb rate and also contributed to a reduction in stall speeds. https://www.kitplanes.com/taming-the-lancair-iv/ Makes me wonder if going BIG (presuming enough directional tail surface) might have similarly positive effects on Mooney's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviatoreb Posted August 11, 2020 Report Share Posted August 11, 2020 (edited) This go big vertical wings reminds me of some other era - but I can't quite remember when.... Edited August 11, 2020 by aviatoreb 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsxrpilot Posted August 11, 2020 Report Share Posted August 11, 2020 On 7/30/2020 at 6:16 PM, Seth said: Is the Aveo Wingtip not for the short bodies? I can see if Damien at Aveo may want to use a customer for certification for a short body. If it already is good to go then you can buy them. Nothing for the short bodies at the moment, and only for the later model J's/K's. In the past when we've talked with Aveo, they seem to be focused on building parts for US military drones. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooneyMitch Posted August 11, 2020 Report Share Posted August 11, 2020 Be still, my beating heart! Man, such great childhood memories 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue on Top Posted August 11, 2020 Report Share Posted August 11, 2020 If a winglet helps in cruise, it says the airplane doesn't have enough wing ... or has gained too much weight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooneyMitch Posted August 11, 2020 Report Share Posted August 11, 2020 Just now, Blue on Top said: If a winglet helps in cruise, it says the airplane doesn't have enough wing ... or has gained too much weight. 10 minutes ago, MooneyMitch said: Be still, my beating heart! Man, such great childhood memories I’ll bet this winglet helps with cruising on a Saturday night !! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted August 11, 2020 Report Share Posted August 11, 2020 Welcome aboard RedWolf... We have a Mooney Rocket, now Lancair IVPT owner around here... We could ask him... Best regards, -a- 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviatoreb Posted August 12, 2020 Report Share Posted August 12, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Redwolfldg said: I saw some very large dihedral winglets custom made for a Lancair IV-P, flight testing show pretty amazing gains in cruise speed, climb rate and also contributed to a reduction in stall speeds. https://www.kitplanes.com/taming-the-lancair-iv/ Makes me wonder if going BIG (presuming enough directional tail surface) might have similarly positive effects on Mooney's? I read that article through - sign me up! The lancair gained 20 knots in cruise (out of what - 300?) and lowered its stall speed by 10knots. And improved stall characteristics. Seems like a fantastic deal for them. Huh - I would be happy with 12 knots faster cruise since I am only 2/3 the speed. And 5 knots slower stall would be impressive. Edited August 12, 2020 by aviatoreb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amillet Posted August 12, 2020 Report Share Posted August 12, 2020 My first car. Note horizontal fins. I’m sure they developed some lift 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooneyMitch Posted August 12, 2020 Report Share Posted August 12, 2020 Just now, amillet said: My first car. Note horizontal fins. I’m sure they developed some lift 1959. That is your specific auto? A beauty!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amillet Posted August 12, 2020 Report Share Posted August 12, 2020 It looked the same, but this is a photo from the internet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviatoreb Posted August 12, 2020 Report Share Posted August 12, 2020 1 hour ago, amillet said: My first car. Note horizontal fins. I’m sure they developed some lift That's a good looking car and a great tail fin - how's the stall characteristics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth Posted August 12, 2020 Report Share Posted August 12, 2020 On 7/24/2020 at 8:14 PM, kortopates said: Erik, I can't believe there is single MSer around at the time that doesn't forget that! But FTR, I surely didn't have an issue with it, I like significant digits as much as any nerd How about 2 million on your next b-day! I remember that too. -Seth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yooper Rocketman Posted August 12, 2020 Report Share Posted August 12, 2020 4 hours ago, carusoam said: Welcome aboard RedWolf... We have a Mooney Rocket, now Lancair IVPT owner around here... We could ask him... Best regards, -a- I wonder who that might be (sarcasm alert). I can’t verify those claims, and know of no one jumping to those wingtips. Makes me a bit suspicious of the true gain (if any) to those winglets. That said, I’ve had a ton of people ask me what advantage I gain from my sexy winglets. I always respond honestly, nothing in airspeed, likely nothing in stability at altitude (the professed advantage). But, I would install them on any Lancair IVPT purely for the visual aesthetics. THEY LOOK FREAKIN AWESOME! My IVPT buddy in Australia, when hearing claims “you will LOOSE airspeed with winglets”, reminds our Lancair brethren that the two fastest turbine Lancair IVPT’s he knows of, mine and the late John Cook’s, both have winglets, and mine also has TKS! Tom 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlybyNite Posted February 8, 2021 Report Share Posted February 8, 2021 On 7/19/2020 at 8:51 PM, gsxrpilot said: Yeah, I put them on to soon in the ownership of 252AD so I don't know if they made any improvement in performance. I like the look of them and they include the LED Nav and Strobe lights. They don't extend past the aileron but are flush with the trailing edge. How have they held up after 3 years in service? Looking to upgrade at my next annual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsxrpilot Posted February 8, 2021 Report Share Posted February 8, 2021 17 minutes ago, FlybyNite said: How have they held up after 3 years in service? Looking to upgrade at my next annual. Excellent! I'm happy to have them, and haven't had a single issue with them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted February 9, 2021 Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 Welcome aboard FbN. The modern wing tips are awesome... The company was displaying their wares at Mooney Summit a few years ago... Best regards, -a- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhateX1337 Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 @FlybyNite did you get a quote from them? I have a J with flat plates - curious what cost would be to add them as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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