cliffy Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 Cognitive challenge? CO poison? Nothing normal about busting a Bravo... -a- 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricJ Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 13 minutes ago, carusoam said: Cognitive challenge? CO poison? Nothing normal about busting a Bravo... -a- Saw the vid earlier today. He doesn't sound very impaired, and he was given multiple chances to correct the issue before she notified him of the possible deviation, at which time he gave her even more attitude. Probably has some remedial training in his future, I'd guess. Must've been having a bad day or something. Educational and entertaining. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishpilot Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 There is no excuse for his attitude and with that mindset he puts others at risk because of ego and a lack of understanding basic rules. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLCarter Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 1 hour ago, EricJ said: Probably has some remedial training in his future, I'd guess. Guess?... Guaranteed Kinda looks like hes a smart ass all around from the FAA reg. info: Registrant Name WIFE APPROVED LLC Street 21702 EVALYN AVE Registrant City TORRANCE Registrant State CA 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkaye Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 If I were the FAA, this pilot would have his license revoked and, if a fine is possible, fined to the max. His anti-authority attitude makes it even worse. Looking at his position in the Airspace, he endangered other people. The Controller should be commended for keeping her cool as well as she did. You are not entitled to enter Class Bravo Airspace. In fact, most times when asking for a clearance into a Bravo, it is denied for small planes. Even on an IFR flight plan, as a small GA airplane, I am vectored around it in the Bay Area. This pilot is a disgrace to the GA pilot community, and the Henderson Controller should be ashamed of himself for apologizing to him. 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviatoreb Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 Yikes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandelay Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 If I were the FAA, this pilot would have his license revoked and, if a fine is possible, fined to the max. His anti-authority attitude makes it even worse. Looking at his position in the Airspace, he endangered other people. The Controller should be commended for keeping her cool as well as she did. You are not entitled to enter Class Bravo Airspace. In fact, most times when asking for a clearance into a Bravo, it is denied for small planes. Even on an IFR flight plan, as a small GA airplane, I am vectored around it in the Bay Area. This pilot is a disgrace to the GA pilot community, and the Henderson Controller should be ashamed of himself for apologizing to him. One problem, a person like him might still fly even if his license is revoked. I think they should repo his airplane. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davidv Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 The only thing missing in this convo was 1NR saying "you're not the boss of me!" 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibra Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 (edited) 15 hours ago, EricJ said: he was given multiple chances to correct the issue before she notified him of the possible deviation, at which time he gave her even more attitude. Yes he would never get that many chances elsewhere or in a professional flying life (not sure about his "personal reasons" but it would have been more easier for him & ATC and everybody to squawk 7600 and fly through the Bravo radio off than voicing his anger to a calm ATC, not all ATC are that trained to deal with that and some do have their bad days as well) Edited June 26, 2020 by Ibra 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishboneash Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 Two idiots who didn't seem to know the rules. The pilot in question and the Henderson ground controller! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Lloyd Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 Yes, wow! But look over at Flightaware. This airplane and presumably pilot are frequent flyers, longer trips from the same area, appears to be an experienced pilot. No excuses for the behavior, but what else is going on that we can't see. We always should be aware of our surroundings, something set him off and we should always be ready to steer clear of someone having an episode. Hopefully the FAA will take action and remove him from our airspace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooneyMitch Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 This is a clear representation that there are those that the rules do not apply to........ I look forward to hopefully learning information regarding FAA follow through on this person. Unbelievable! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steingar Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 I suspect an emergency revocation is in this fellow's near future. I imagine the FAA might allow him to earn. his certificates back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiser Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 very likely the pilot was returning from a protest event .................... attitude. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenL757 Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 12 hours ago, EricJ said: Saw the vid earlier today. He doesn't sound very impaired, and he was given multiple chances to correct the issue before she notified him of the possible deviation, at which time he gave her even more attitude. Probably has some remedial training in his future, I'd guess. Must've been having a bad day or something. Educational and entertaining. I can think of a couple other choice words or phrases, but @donkaye summarized perfectly already. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exM20K Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 11 hours ago, donkaye said: and the Henderson Controller should be ashamed of himself for apologizing to him. You don’t know what the offender told the tower guy, but I expect it does not track with this offender’s interaction with approach. -dan 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviatoreb Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 18 minutes ago, exM20K said: You don’t know what the offender told the tower guy, but I expect it does not track with this offender’s interaction with approach. -dan I agree - I am not ready to fault the local ground controller simply for being polite and responsive to whatever he was told by the pilot without knowing what the pilot said to him. I could see myself being polite like that if a person told me of being mistreated by another person in my chain of interactions organization, but then even if I am doubting them and planning on back-checking the story. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviatoreb Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 56 minutes ago, Cruiser said: very likely the pilot was returning from a protest event .................... attitude. Oh my. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLJA Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 So, why is the Ground apologizing to him on the phone at the end? That's the part I can't comprehend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviatoreb Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 9 minutes ago, GLJA said: So, why is the Ground apologizing to him on the phone at the end? That's the part I can't comprehend? I think it was on the radio? Remember, at that stage the ground controller had not heard the interaction with approach control so all he had was the pilot's description. I could totally see myself being polite in response even if I planned to back check the story, which I bet he did at this point. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 So who can forward this wonderful video to the SoCal FSDO and get the ball rolling????? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsxrpilot Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 5 minutes ago, Hank said: So who can forward this wonderful video to the SoCal FSDO and get the ball rolling????? Oh, they already know about it. If the controller gives you a number to call, they are filing a report on the incident. The FSDO will give that knucklehead a call in the next couple of weeks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaMan Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 HE WAS UNDER THE BRAVO THE ENTIRE TIME! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviatoreb Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, FloridaMan said: HE WAS UNDER THE BRAVO THE ENTIRE TIME! It doesn't matter. He was rude and explicitly refusing orders from atc and it seems as if he and the controller were unaware if he was below the bravo shelf. I am no aviation lawyer but I would guess that this guy can loose his license whether or not he was actually in the bravo but rather below the bravo. You won't hear me acting like that, and especially in, near or under a bravo shelf. Edited June 26, 2020 by aviatoreb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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