Airliners post COVID19

[Seth]

WIth so many airlines retiring aircraft types, what will be flying post COVID19?

Retired or retired early due to COVID19:

747 (numerous varients), 757 (200 & 300), 767 (200 and 300ER), A380, A330-300 (with A330-200 later this year), some 777's, some E190's, CRJ200's

 

So what will still fly:

737 (numerous)

A320

A319

A321XLR will fly (replacing the 757's)

787 will replace the 767/A330

A330Neo

A350 

777X

Regional Wise, CRJ550/700/900

ERJ 145, E170/175/190?

Airbus A220

Correct everything I've missed if you can please!

 

-Seth

[GeeBee]

Mostly correct. Disagree on 757-200. Delta will fly 757's until they are dust. 

 

 

 

[carusoam]

Boeing just started up the 737Max process again...

It hit the news this morning, to go with the lay-offs...
 

Best regards,

-a-

[StevenL757]

1 hour ago, GeeBee said:

Mostly correct. Disagree on 757-200. Delta will fly 757's until they are dust.

Correct.  The company’s position is to keep them operational through at least 2030.

[N9201A]

WIth so many airlines retiring aircraft types, what will be flying post COVID19?
Retired or retired early due to COVID19:
747 (numerous varients), 757 (200 & 300), 767 (200 and 300ER), A380, A330-300 (with A330-200 later this year), some 777's, some E190's, CRJ200's
 
So what will still fly:
737 (numerous)
A320
A319
A321XLR will fly (replacing the 757's)
787 will replace the 767/A330
A330Neo
A350 
777X
Regional Wise, CRJ550/700/900
ERJ 145, E170/175/190?
Airbus A220
Correct everything I've missed if you can please!
 
-Seth

Interesting post Seth. It can’t be easy to be the brainiacs managing fleet acquisitions given the ever-changing vagaries of the marketplace.

The A380 has been on the way out for a while, it never had the hoped-for market success. It can’t compete with later, two-engined competitors in pax service and is too heavy for cargo.

747s are still flying, just not for US 121 passenger carriers. Interestingly, the Sands casinos have two, I see at least one parked in Vegas a lot.

United still flies 100+ 757/767 aircraft. A buddy just completed his type training (common type) at UAL in March (nice timing, right?).

The underwing Embraers are nice (many paying for the flight like them better than 737s). Who knows what effect the collapse of their deal with Boeing will have on the company though.

The A220 seems a nice aircraft too, don’t have any firsthand experience on one yet. The Mitsubishi regional jet seems to have been shelved. With the push towards “skinny” routes (narrowbodies flying longer nonstop routes) so there seems to be a market for that size aircraft.

While writing off the 50-seaters (CRJ200/ERJs) is trendy, I suspect the reductions in their numbers now have more to do with union scope clauses than anything else. There isn’t anything new with which to replace them. And most pax don’t want to take that step back to turboprops.

There are some exciting possibilities in propulsion (electric?) and construction (imagine a wing that could change shape, or a flying wing) but they always seem to be tantalizingly just out of reach.

I think two things are for sure: (1) No one can know with any real certainty what things will look like very far out, and (2) the B52 will still be flying when every one of the above is out of passenger service.

[bonal]

On the news last night, Boing letting 10% of work force go and 5000 took buyouts.  Sad times

[steingar]

Thankfully I rarely fly on airliners.  Mostly I use my Mooney to go where I will.

 

[Bluevalley]

It sure makes you feel old when you see almost all of the airplanes you flew in you're career are being "retired from service". I'm glad I was fortunate enough to have also flown the "vintage airliners" (round dial). I still say the B707 was the best looking and the B757 was the best flying! I think we have seen the "best" of the airline industry (from a pilots perspective). Hard to imagine what comes next.

[bonal]

1 hour ago, Bluevalley said:

It sure makes you feel old when you see almost all of the airplanes you flew in you're career are being "retired from service". I'm glad I was fortunate enough to have also flown the "vintage airliners" (round dial). I still say the B707 was the best looking and the B757 was the best flying! I think we have seen the "best" of the airline industry (from a pilots perspective). Hard to imagine what comes next.

Drones. 

[aviatoreb]

4 minutes ago, bonal said:

Drones. 

That technology is coming.

https://www.avweb.com/recent-updates/evtols-urban-mobility/caac-grants-ehang-216-commercial-pilot-operation-approval/

Uber passenger octocopter thing drones for short hops.  Airplane larger passenger drones for kong distance.

[flyboy0681]

2 hours ago, Bluevalley said:

It sure makes you feel old when you see almost all of the airplanes you flew in you're career are being "retired from service". I'm glad I was fortunate enough to have also flown the "vintage airliners" (round dial). I still say the B707 was the best looking and the B757 was the best flying! I think we have seen the "best" of the airline industry (from a pilots perspective). Hard to imagine what comes next.

The 707 was definitely the best looking - and sounding (let's not forget that). When thinking of that plane I always come back to the same thought, that it's amazing how Boeing got the design so right back in 1952. That basic design carried all the way through to the 757, and needless to say, is still in production today with the 737.

[Bluevalley]

I remember when the Airbus started going into service, the mechanics called them "throw away airplanes". They said they were never built to last as long as a Boeing. The sentiment was when the last flight was made in the Airbus, the crew will deadhead home on a 727!

[flyboy0681]

29 minutes ago, bluehighwayflyer said:

Not to mention the KC-135 variant of the B-707 that my dad flew back in the 60s and 70s.  They will have a ~ 100 year service life once all is said and done.  Remarkable!  

Make no mistake, although the 707 and KC-135 look identical to the untrained eye, they are completely different, starting with the dimensions - especially the width and length of the fuselage.

[flyboy0681]

Just now, bluehighwayflyer said:

Yes.  They share a common anscestory starting with the Dash 80.  Brevity can be the enemy of accuracy sometimes.  

In my life I have made two pilgrimages.. the first was to the Air & Space museum at Dulles where I saw the Dash 80, and two years ago to the Museum of Flight at Boeing Field where I met up with the first 747, Ship One. I can now die a fulfilled man.