John Martindale Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 Hi folks My 1977 M20 J (S/N 24-0039) with quadrant controls has all theĀ fittings for a ram air cable that was removed some 40 years ago. However, I cannot find where that cable passed through the firewall; there is no obvious hole to spare!! The Parts Catalog (76-00-01) shows it to be close to the throttle cable but that diagram relates to later models with push pull controls. Annoyingly, the diagram (76-00-00) relating to my serial number does not show the location on the firewall. Could someone with an early 201 please enlighten me as to where I should be looking....preferably with a photo of the location. The -dash suffix on each of the cables differ, suggesting they are different in length and thus mount in different locations both at the firewall and the dash panel. Thanks in anticipation and please stay safe over there. Regards John in Australia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 John, While we wait for the white night to arrive... If your intake was updated to eliminate the value of the ram air system... much better intakes were available on newer Mooneys... Are you trying to put it back? Best regards, -a- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Martindale Posted April 24, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 Geday -a- Seems to be a bob each way here by Mooney. Mine was only the 39th J off the factory floor and the second to be imported to Australia in 1978, perhaps before any bets were laid. It has the panel hole, microswitch bracket and wiring, panel warning light, cable brackets, butterfly in the intake (wired shut) but no cable or hole in the firewall that I can find. It also has the main air intake mounted up in the LH engine cooling inlet like the later J's, not down low above the nose wheel like the F's. but....yes, I do want to reinstall the cable appreciating the advice already received here and via the Mooney SB that it is no longer considered necessary. I suspect the firewall may have been re-manufactured minus the hole after a heavy landing around 40 years ago but there is nothing specific in the logbooks to confirm that. Regards John Ā 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 John, Great details in your question..! Ā We can askĀ the doc... @M20DocĀ (question about control cable for early Jās ram air ) Its a bit late on the East Coast... so it may take a while to see the request...Ā Best regards, -a- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyland Posted May 20, 2020 Report Share Posted May 20, 2020 John, I just recently did the SB to remove the ram air system on my '79 J.Ā Picture shows a 7/16" (as I recall) nut and bolt used to plug the firewall hole from the removed cable. ---Ken 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartman Posted May 28, 2020 Report Share Posted May 28, 2020 I snapped this during my engine removal. Itās in the pilot side footwell behind the right rudder-brake pedal. In this picture it is the cable coming out of the firewall. If yours has been removed I bet someone used it for wiring such as engine monitor.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Martindale Posted May 31, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2020 Geday Ken and Bart I swear that hole you guys have pictured does not exist in my firewall SNĀ 24-0039 (1977), viz, I guess only the 39th J off the floor. If your J's have the quadrant controls (SNĀ less than 24-0377) found in the really early JsĀ then the cable would haveĀ to take a god almighty SĀ bend behind the panel to get from the knob on the passenger side to aboveĀ your right feet as the pilot and the later cables are just not long enough to do it. I hadĀ my re-installation finished last week (bought it out through the firewall above the throttle cable) and today took it for a test flight. At 3500 feet there was only a 3 knot differenceĀ in TAS using the CSG network GPS derivedĀ calculator http://www.csgnetwork.com/tasgpscalc.htmlĀ ) and about 5 knots at 8500 feet. Is it worth it? As many have said, probably not but it has been an interesting and educational exercise and the support on this site has been invaluable. Thank you all. Regards John 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted June 1, 2020 Report Share Posted June 1, 2020 John, If you can... Have a look at the updated parts for improvements in the other things it can do... Somewhere along the way... there were improvements in how the air separates out rainwater on the way to the filter... There may be a different door used for when the intake gets filled with ice... (Alt air system) Stuff I remember, barely... Ā not a sales pitch... or ringing endorsement... Congrats on getting to the break-in flights... Best regards, -a- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_elliott Posted June 1, 2020 Report Share Posted June 1, 2020 On 5/31/2020 at 5:38 AM, John Martindale said: Geday Ken and Bart I swear that hole you guys have pictured does not exist in my firewall SNĀ 24-0039 (1977), viz, I guess only the 39th J off the floor. If your J's have the quadrant controls (SNĀ less than 24-0377) found in the really early JsĀ then the cable would haveĀ to take a god almighty SĀ bend behind the panel to get from the knob on the passenger side to aboveĀ your right feet as the pilot and the later cables are just not long enough to do it. I hadĀ my re-installation finished last week (bought it out through the firewall above the throttle cable) and today took it for a test flight. At 3500 feet there was only a 3 knot differenceĀ in TAS using the CSG network GPS derivedĀ calculator http://www.csgnetwork.com/tasgpscalc.htmlĀ ) and about 5 knots at 8500 feet. Is it worth it? As many have said, probably not but it has been an interesting and educational exercise and the support on this site has been invaluable. Thank you all. Regards John wow, to gain 5 kts has to be a significant increase in HP. Im not so sure this can be achieved by the ram air open on a J model by itself.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OR75 Posted June 9, 2020 Report Share Posted June 9, 2020 (edited) Changed the oil today ... took a few pictures.... hope this helpsĀ quadrant controls and still have the Ram airĀ Ah for whatever reason ... the last picture which shows where the cable goes through the firewall is rotated 90degreesĀ Ā Ā Edited June 9, 2020 by OR75 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted June 9, 2020 Report Share Posted June 9, 2020 See if this helps... -a- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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