Bob - S50 Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 This is probably already on here someplace so it probably belongs in an FAQ section but... If I had the money and were to buy Mooney, I'd start making new 201's and 252's with the following changes: 1. Use the 2900 lb. gross weight frame. 2. Make the one piece belly pan standard with as many antennas as possible buried inside. 3. Include light weight starters and alternators. 4. Electronic Ignition standard. 5. Include the Powerflow exhaust as standard. 6. No vacuum system. 7. Cies floats standard connected to owner choice of either JPI or EI primary engine monitors. 8. Owner choice of displays/avionics/AP with options from Avidyne, Dynon, Garmin, Trig, and TruTrak. 9. AV-20S as a clock. 10. AV-30 to replace the TC. Time for me to wake up now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsxrpilot Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 I was with you all the way through #8. 9 and 10 are garbage IMO. But overall, I like the way you're thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko182 Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 Id work in the second door and make the frame a little lighter. Probably put VG's on stock so that the plane has a lower stall speed and you can certify the gross weights of the rockets and missiles. Also oleo struts instead of the donuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldguy Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Niko182 said: Also oleo struts instead of the donuts Make them training link while you are at it, so even on those slam-it-down landings, the tanks don't need resealing quite so soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 Do we get engine options with this exercise.... 1) O360 2) IO360 3) IO550 4) Turbo editions 5)Turbine (viable diesel option, where the other diesels have been less than viable...) I’m stuck in the middle somewhere... Best regards, -a- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INA201 Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 14 minutes ago, carusoam said: Do we get engine options with this exercise.... 1) O360 2) IO360 3) IO550 4) Turbo editions 5)Turbine (viable diesel option, where the other diesels have been less than viable...) I’m stuck in the middle somewhere... Best regards, -a- I kinda like this approach but would expand on it some. How about the crazy idea of build to order with engine choices and airframe choices. You could also pick your paint scheme etc. etc. Realistically I think the only way Mooney can compete with our excellent used fleet is to have a kit build to get the price point waaaay down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yetti Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 air bags instead of pucks for landing gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen M20C Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 53 minutes ago, Yetti said: air bags instead of pucks for landing gear. I was thinking memory foam - but then it might remember that last bad landing. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 2 hours ago, carusoam said: Do we get engine options with this exercise.... 1) O360 2) IO360 3) IO550 4) Turbo editions 5)Turbine (viable diesel option, where the other diesels have been less than viable...) I’m stuck in the middle somewhere... Best regards, -a- I’d take one if an IO720 was an option! Clarence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry 5TJ Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 By the way, I want mine with fully retractable amphibious floats. And FIKI. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted February 25, 2020 Report Share Posted February 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Jerry 5TJ said: By the way, I want mine with fully retractable amphibious floats. Yes!!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1964-M20E Posted February 25, 2020 Report Share Posted February 25, 2020 I like the idea. Get away form the full glass as integrated with engine monitoring and other gauges. Us e JPI or something like that for guages Avydyne IFD 550 for the NAV/COM And best yet make the mid body as an experimental kit plane maybe have a full composite fuselage for cleaner airflow and faster speeds 310HP IO540 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 25, 2020 Report Share Posted February 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Jerry 5TJ said: By the way, I want mine with fully retractable amphibious floats. And FIKI. I’m guessing you’ll want to keep the manual Johnson bar gear connected to the floats? Clarence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted February 25, 2020 Report Share Posted February 25, 2020 Composite or aluminum? After the the whole M10 experience... there is enough data collected to get it right the next go round... Smooth single piece surfaces... Or, proven longevity with a few rivets... Best regards, -a- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INA201 Posted February 25, 2020 Report Share Posted February 25, 2020 All I know is this one is not a Mooney IMOP. Throw a retract on and the M10 might be a good start towards modern composites for Mooney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browncbr1 Posted February 25, 2020 Report Share Posted February 25, 2020 If I bought mooney, I’d have to have a diesel power plant lined up and possibly look at novel ways to pressurize the cabin. Making the same ole plane isn’t going to cut it. It has to do things a cirrus can’t do. Make an add on option parachute system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steingar Posted February 25, 2020 Report Share Posted February 25, 2020 I'd buy the Type Certificate for the Mooney Cadet and start making them for the training market as soon as humanly possible. Those are the planes selling now. I think I would slowly turn the Ultra into a composite airframe. They started with the doors, a couple years later I'd do the front cowling, a couple years after that the tail. Eventually the wings. A composite Mooney with retractable gear would be the fastest thing in the sky by a fair margin. Might get the build time down too. If I could do all that I'd think about an aircraft built around the I0360. A modern J, all composite. The Ultra's little brother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted February 25, 2020 Report Share Posted February 25, 2020 4 hours ago, INA201 said: All I know is this one is not a Mooney IMOP. Throw a retract on and the M10 might be a good start towards modern composites for Mooney. It also needs a pivoting tail instead of embarrassing trim tabs . . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelpro999 Posted February 25, 2020 Report Share Posted February 25, 2020 Steel and aluminum Mooney’s will not compete in today’s market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooney217RN Posted February 25, 2020 Report Share Posted February 25, 2020 17 minutes ago, Kelpro999 said: Steel and aluminum Mooney’s will not compete in today’s market. Not so certain about that. I flew an SR22 yesterday, great ride. But I also flew my Ovation yesterday, an even better ride. Mooney could make more use of composites, but what is the benefit of an all composite airframe versus a steel & aluminum airframe? The only thing I see is that the composite aircraft absorb turbulence better. Repairing a composite airframe is a real challenge. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko182 Posted February 25, 2020 Report Share Posted February 25, 2020 8 hours ago, INA201 said: All I know is this one is not a Mooney IMOP. Throw a retract on and the M10 might be a good start towards modern composites for Mooney. That thing is damn ugly. id prefer if it wasn't part of the mooney heritage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsxrpilot Posted February 25, 2020 Report Share Posted February 25, 2020 8 hours ago, Browncbr1 said: It has to do things a cirrus can’t do. It already does. It can retract the gear so you don't look like a student pilot flying around the the gear sticking out. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZuluZulu Posted February 25, 2020 Report Share Posted February 25, 2020 On 2/24/2020 at 12:20 PM, carusoam said: Do we get engine options with this exercise.... 1) O360 2) IO360 3) IO550 4) Turbo editions 5)Turbine (viable diesel option, where the other diesels have been less than viable...) I’m stuck in the middle somewhere... Best regards, -a- Don’t forget the IO-390! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted February 26, 2020 Report Share Posted February 26, 2020 Hey, N888CN The M10 got a lucky Asian tail number... 888 has some cultural phenomenon attached to it... What was the CN for? Best regards, -a- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldguy Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 23 hours ago, carusoam said: What was the CN for? cn is the country code top-level domain for the People's Republic of China. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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