RobertGary1 Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 22 hours ago, Pete M said: I would fly 80 mph down the pipe and pull power over the fence. 2200Ft is not short:) well, unless you have trees at the end:) You're going to float for days if you're light at that speed. -Robert 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLJA Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 14 minutes ago, RobertGary1 said: You're going to float for days if you're light at that speed. -Robert Here's a nice 80 mph approach float at approx 2150 lbs weight. Full flaps. CEG3_Landing.MP4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooneyMitch Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 Landed/departed my mini-Mooney at Oceano (L52) for fuel today. 2300 foot length. Easy off first exit, approx. 900 ft. I use to do this in the Ovation too. Not first exit though. Normal weather conditions today. Speed and stable approach is the key! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, RobertGary1 said: You're going to float for days if you're light at that speed. -Robert 1.3 x vso? Between 75 and 80. Its been awhile but thats how i remember doing it. Only time i ever had a problem with float was when my idle was a bit high. At 72mph there didnt seem to be much energy left to flare. This was in an e though. But thats not the point. Point is 2300 is plenty long enough. Edited November 23, 2019 by Pete M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planegary Posted November 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 thanks for all of the great input. I cannot move because my hanger is at the short strip and i have been bringing the mooney in and out of there alresdy with no close calls i just seemed to float a little and wanted confirmation on approach speeds. it seems like my speeds were pretty much on point already but maybe 2-3 kts fast so i will creep the speeds down a little more. this all started because of hearsay comments to me and i wanted to see how others were doing it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 Sounds like you're doing well. I fly a simole pattern, 90 mph downwind and base with Takeoff flaps, roll wings level on final at 85 mph and slow down to 75 mph before the numbers, reducing speed another 5 mph for every 300 lb below gross that I am for that partucular landing. Going to your field, like the 2000 foot grass strip I used to live near, just don't be fast or high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PT20J Posted November 24, 2019 Report Share Posted November 24, 2019 23 hours ago, Planegary said: thanks for all of the great input. I cannot move because my hanger is at the short strip and i have been bringing the mooney in and out of there alresdy with no close calls i just seemed to float a little and wanted confirmation on approach speeds. it seems like my speeds were pretty much on point already but maybe 2-3 kts fast so i will creep the speeds down a little more. this all started because of hearsay comments to me and i wanted to see how others were doing it Well, you have your answer(s) ranging from “no sweat” to “you’re gonna die.” That’s the Mooney mystique. Truth is all similarly certified GA airplanes stall at 61 kts or less and all can easily land on a 2000 foot runway if flown precisely. The long span flaps and short gear make the Mooney more sensitive to ground effect than others and this increases float if you are a bit fast, so in that respect they are a bit less forgiving. The Cirrus has the highest stall speed of any comparable airplane and I used to fly in and out of KPAO which is a bit less than 2500’ and it never felt short. Skip 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skates97 Posted November 24, 2019 Report Share Posted November 24, 2019 On 11/22/2019 at 4:57 PM, Pete M said: 1.3 x vso? Between 75 and 80. Its been awhile but thats how i remember doing it. Only time i ever had a problem with float was when my idle was a bit high. At 72mph there didnt seem to be much energy left to flare. This was in an e though. But thats not the point. Point is 2300 is plenty long enough. For the OP, check your idle speed after a flight. Don't count the speed rpm when you are on final and pull the throttle because the prop is still windmilling and you are probably seeing about 1000. Once you are stopped, pull the throttle and see what you are idling at. You want it between 500-700, and the closer to 500 the less float you will have. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibra Posted November 24, 2019 Report Share Posted November 24, 2019 For landings, I can get always away with 1800ft without breaks by flying 10kts above stall bellow that factors like wind, temperature, fuel, weight and if we had lunch gets into the picture On soft wet runways, 2400ft is about a good number for my takeoffs My home base is 1700ft and has both grass and tarmac but I don't visit unfamiliar grass places if they are not above 2200ft maybe worth a visit by car or better in a 90hp Super Cub to check how high the trees at the end of the runway, if I feel surprised probably not a good idea in a Mooney even with 200hp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted November 24, 2019 Report Share Posted November 24, 2019 3 hours ago, Ibra said: For landings, I can get always away with 1800ft without breaks by flying 10kts above stall bellow that factors like wind, temperature, fuel, weight and if we had lunch gets into the picture On soft wet runways, 2400ft is about a good number for my takeoffs My home base is 1700ft and has both grass and tarmac but I don't visit unfamiliar grass places if they are not above 2200ft maybe worth a visit by car or better in a 90hp Super Cub to check how high the trees at the end of the runway, if I feel surprised probably not a good idea in a Mooney even with 200hp I know i shouldnt...but....super cubs 150/160....j3's are 90 or 65 depending...sorry...:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricJ Posted November 24, 2019 Report Share Posted November 24, 2019 34 minutes ago, Pete M said: I know i shouldnt...but....super cubs 150/160....j3's are 90 or 65 depending...sorry...:) The original J-3 was 40hp. Just enough to get you in the air. They'll just barely kill you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted November 24, 2019 Report Share Posted November 24, 2019 The original mooney mite...21 or 25hp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibra Posted November 24, 2019 Report Share Posted November 24, 2019 2 hours ago, Pete M said: I know i shouldnt...but....super cubs 150/160....j3's are 90 or 65 depending...sorry...:) why C90/95 are not powerful enough? but here is the baby and "super cub" is on her birth certificate, calling it J3 is a mistake Did not know Mooney had a 21hp, what speed do you get 21mph ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 They were made in several variations and flap configurations as the original tc was modified. The 90hp variant was an early option and without flaps like the j3. Relatively few were produced. Super cubs are generally expected to have flaps and o320's in them but i imagine you could find an old variant if you looked hard enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibra Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 Yes this one produced along original type certificate with Continental and it was almost identical to J3 I did visit the grass strip underneath in the Mooney (550m/1600ft), I need a cold dry day with gin clear sky and +20kts bonus wind on the runway, you don't get that many weekends like that in London (UK), especially dry day & clear sky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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