jaylw314 Posted October 8, 2019 Report Share Posted October 8, 2019 From the Daily Beast recently: https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-boeing-tried-to-kill-a-great-airplaneand-got-outplayed The interpretation is a little inflammatory, but the historical and economic context to the 737 MAX issue is interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 Another Boeing challenge is playing out this weekend... https://apple.news/AXuQPf_bXTZqXS6X1q9fvYA Boeing is a partner in the ULA... Boeing Lockheed, united Launch Alliance... On Friday, CNBC covered the launch in great detail... live broadcast... 1) They are introducing the importance of the tight launch window and how the launch will occur exactly at a set time a few minutes later... 2) The talking heads said how important the time is.... to watch it uncomfortably elapse.... 3) a minute later.... the final countdown begins.... 10,9,8.... blast-off, everything is going swimmingly well... 4) Something occurs over the next few minutes.... 5) the final rocket stage doesn’t fire off... 6) there aren’t any extra rockets in modern rocketry that allow for something like this to fail, and still reach a rendezvous with the international Space Station... 7) There was no televised telemetry like a SpaceX launch often shares... where they are on the time line what is expected next, how far out in the future... Altitude above the ground, continuously Speed the Rocket is going, continuously Onboard video of the stage separations and engine firings... Somebody decided to share nothing... 8) We see nothing... but a carpet dance of a reporter on a windy day in Florida covering a launch like it is Apollo 13.... 9) Remember Apollo 13, where nobody watched because space travel was so routine....? 10) Space travel is important. Even if nobody cares to watch.... 11) Something goes wrong with the final practice launch before humans are expected to be on board... it is already three years behind schedule... you have a minute between When the launch is scheduled and when the launch actually happens... Question for MSers... A minute to abort because something didn’t go as planned... do you launch anyways? 12) It takes NASA about an hour to come back and send a text to the CNBC reporter (Morgan Brennan) still standing out in the wind with beautiful Florida in the back ground.... 13) the human flight is expected to occur in months, after the success of this Starliner CST-100 flight... 14) NASA seems to have forwarded the following cryptic message... The spacecraft flew into the wrong orbit... As if an astronaut made a wrong turn... 15) The NASA Administrator, Mr. Bridenstine gives the following explanation... the Mission Elapsed Timing system had an error in it... 16) So wait and watch for a few more days while the recovery of some part of the re-usable system returns to earth... 17) It is hard to watch this go on... 18) on one hand you have Elon Musk launching things, including a sports car, into space with some regularity, and some failure... SpaceX has delivered some goods to the ISS, haven’t they? 19) ULA has a 70s style Launch party, no data shared, the Rocket mission fails... and info shared doesn’t match reality... 20) how long will this take to get back on track? It isn’t months to the next launch is it? With people on board? 21) Just fix the MET system and everything is good to go? 22) Is Boeing using the same programming group with the 737 Max? 23) It looks like some time schedules for production requiring computer programming are slipping at a higher rate than expected... 24) Fortunately, there are no losses of life with the starliner debacle... Something to consider... all data here came from the CNBC site... over the weekend... Best regards, -a- 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigers2007 Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 The OP’s article brought up something I’ve never heard of in modern times: a intercontinental narrow-body “RJ”. Imagine nonstop service from Norfolk, VA to London or even Traverse City, MI to Frankfurt. All in a comfortable baby jet. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N201MKTurbo Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 3 hours ago, carusoam said: Another Boeing challenge is playing out this weekend... https://apple.news/AXuQPf_bXTZqXS6X1q9fvYA Boeing is a partner in the ULA... Boeing Lockheed, united Launch Alliance... On Friday, CNBC covered the launch in great detail... live broadcast... 1) They are introducing the importance of the tight launch window and how the launch will occur exactly at a set time a few minutes later... 2) The talking heads said how important the time is.... to watch it uncomfortably elapse.... 3) a minute later.... the final countdown begins.... 10,9,8.... blast-off, everything is going swimmingly well... 4) Something occurs over the next few minutes.... 5) the final rocket stage doesn’t fire off... 6) there aren’t any extra rockets in modern rocketry that allow for something like this to fail, and still reach a rendezvous with the international Space Station... 7) There was no televised telemetry like a SpaceX launch often shares... where they are on the time line what is expected next, how far out in the future... Altitude above the ground, continuously Speed the Rocket is going, continuously Onboard video of the stage separations and engine firings... Somebody decided to share nothing... 8) We see nothing... but a carpet dance of a reporter on a windy day in Florida covering a launch like it is Apollo 13.... 9) Remember Apollo 13, where nobody watched because space travel was so routine....? 10) Space travel is important. Even if nobody cares to watch.... 11) Something goes wrong with the final practice launch before humans are expected to be on board... it is already three years behind schedule... you have a minute between When the launch is scheduled and when the launch actually happens... Question for MSers... A minute to abort because something didn’t go as planned... do you launch anyways? 12) It takes NASA about an hour to come back and send a text to the CNBC reporter (Morgan Brennan) still standing out in the wind with beautiful Florida in the back ground.... 13) the human flight is expected to occur in months, after the success of this Starliner CST-100 flight... 14) NASA seems to have forwarded the following cryptic message... The spacecraft flew into the wrong orbit... As if an astronaut made a wrong turn... 15) The NASA Administrator, Mr. Bridenstine gives the following explanation... the Mission Elapsed Timing system had an error in it... 16) So wait and watch for a few more days while the recovery of some part of the re-usable system returns to earth... 17) It is hard to watch this go on... 18) on one hand you have Elon Musk launching things, including a sports cars, into space with some regularity, and some failure... SpaceX has delivered some goods to the ISS, haven’t they? 19) ULA has a 70s style Launch party, no data shared, the Rocket mission fails... and info shared doesn’t match reality... 20) how long will this take to get back on track? It isn’t months to the next launch is it? With people on board? 21) Just fix the MET system and everything is good to go? 22) Is Boeing using the same programming group with the 737 Max? 23) It looks like some time schedules for production requiring computer programming are slipping at a higher rate than expected... 24) Fortunately, there are no losses of life with the starliner debacle... Something to consider... all data here came from the CNBC site... over the weekend... Best regards, -a- I have been doing work for a large aerospace government contractor lately. This sounds about right. Elon Musk is running a non-union entrepreneurial enterprise. He probably doesn't need 100 people to sign off on every detail along with creating a mountain of paperwork mostly to lay blame on someone else if something goes wrong. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark89114 Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 Boeing has lost their leadership, they are now run by wall street types and ivy league MBA's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N201MKTurbo Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 19 minutes ago, Mark89114 said: Boeing has lost their leadership, they are now run by wall street types and ivy league MBA's. Worse than that.... Millennials! I should talk, my son works for Boeing! He wants to make that company great again! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricJ Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 I think Boeing lost their soul when they moved HQ to Chicago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steingar Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 What happens when you let accountants run things instead of engineers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyboy0681 Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 21 hours ago, carusoam said: 15) The NASA Administrator, Mr. Bridenstine gives the following explanation... the Mission Elapsed Timing system had an error in it... As opposed to previous NASA administrators, who were typically scientists, test pilots and astronauts who worked their way up the NASA ranks, Bridenstine is a political hack with no experience other than running an Air & Space museum in Tulsa after leaving the Navy, eventually becoming a congressman who aligns perfectly with the current administrations agenda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyboy0681 Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 I found this to be a very interesting article. One of the takeaways is that Boeing felt pressured by competition from Airbus and Bombardier to get their current offerings to market quickly, which led to shoddy work. No mention was made of how competition made Boeing a better company when faced up against Douglas (DC-8, DC-9 & DC-10), General Dynamics (Convair 880) and Lockheed (L-1011). Their only failure in the face of competition was their attempt at an SST when competing against the Concorde. And as of today, the Boeing CEO is out of a job (but not before being paid tens of millions as a parting gift). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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