fantom Posted October 2, 2019 Report Share Posted October 2, 2019 Oct 2 (Reuters) - A World War Two vintage airplane crashed at Bradley International Airport near Hartford, Connecticut, on Wednesday, and a local report said at least two people were killed and more were seriously injured. Rescue crews raced to the fiery scene, the airport said, with local media showing video of a plume of thick, black smoke billowing skywards after the crash. "We can confirm that there was an accident involving a Collings Foundation World War II aircraft this morning at Bradley Airport," a post on the airport's Facebook page said on Wednesday. The crash of the B-17 bomber, which occurred shortly before 10 a.m. local time as the plane was attempting to land at the airport in Windsor Locks, Connecticut, killed at least two people and sent at least three others to a local hospital, the Hartford Courant newspaper reported. The airport said it was shut amid a 'fire and rescue operation.' 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooneyMitch Posted October 2, 2019 Report Share Posted October 2, 2019 Very sad and very tragic for all . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviatoreb Posted October 2, 2019 Report Share Posted October 2, 2019 Oh awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air pirate Posted October 2, 2019 Report Share Posted October 2, 2019 Terrible news, I flew on that aircraft when she was painted as "Nine o Nine". The Collings Foundation has always been meticulous concerning their aircraft. Prayers for the souls that have gone west and a full recovery for the injured. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueOne Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 Super sorry to hear of this. I second the reputation regarding The Collings Foundation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar Avalle Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 My thoughts are with the family of the ones who passed away and my prayers are with the ones who are in the hospital. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 Some additional, but tragic, details... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/vintage-b-17-plane-crashes-erupts-flames-bradley-international-airport-n1061161 Prayers, -a- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigers2007 Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 How does the legal end work with carrying 9 or more pax? Is this a part 91 operation? I wonder how those hold-harmless forms will play here. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N201MKTurbo Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 I doubt anyone will be able to buy a ride on a warbird from now on. I don’t think the Collings foundation will survive. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 Inability to climb after take off sounds like it might have gotten Jet A fuel. Clarence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigers2007 Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 Inability to climb after take off sounds like it might have gotten Jet A fuel. Clarence If we gripe about insurance rates I wonder how much FBO’s gripe about liability rates too. There is a lot of responsibility put into the hands of a $8-15/hr line handler that wrangles the fuel. Many moons ago when I slammed baggage at Mesaba, we would have to give the Saab crew the bag count. Some of the goofballs I worked with would make it up as they lost count like five times during loading. The first thing I thought was, “What a sh*t show”. Mesaba’s $7.50/hr sure went far with the rampers. I have a little more faith with line crew that are also pilots. At least they can tell the difference between 100LL and Jet A. Anyone here know the intricacies of a B-17’s fuel system (tanks, valves, etc.)?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueOne Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 If a school bus crashes and burns is use of all school buses cancelled until the cause is identified? It is if Sid B is calling the shots. Face palm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradp Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 Whatever the cause of this tragedy ... being present for entire fueling is best practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricJ Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 2 hours ago, M20Doc said: Inability to climb after take off sounds like it might have gotten Jet A fuel. Clarence One of the witness reports included a smoking and sputtering engine, for whatever that's worth at this point. I thought those guys operated enough below gross that a single engine out wouldn't be too difficult, but maybe there were other issues. Tragic in any case, all around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N201MKTurbo Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 It seems strange that they had a landing accident after making it back to the airport. Maybe they had other system failures? In the old movies they didn’t do well with only one gear down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air pirate Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 (edited) DaNang Dick Blumenthal is already spouting off how vintage aircraft should NOT be flown and "we have to regulate more". Edited October 3, 2019 by Air pirate 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooneyMitch Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 21 minutes ago, Air pirate said: DaNang Dick Blumenthal is already spouting off how vintage aircraft should NOT be flown and "we have to regulate more". Pathetic! “The sky is falling” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylw314 Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 8 hours ago, tigers2007 said: How does the legal end work with carrying 9 or more pax? Is this a part 91 operation? I wonder how those hold-harmless forms will play here. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk They operate under rules for conducting a "Living History Flight Experience". They have requirements that are sorta-kinda-maybe more like part 135 operations than before since the LHFE rules changes about a decade ago https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2015/07/21/2015-17966/policy-regarding-living-history-flight-experience-exemptions-for-passenger-carrying-operations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueOne Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 How long does it take for a burning engine to reach fuel lines and control inputs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylw314 Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, RogueOne said: How long does it take for a burning engine to reach fuel lines and control inputs? I expect the answer should be "never", given that B-17's were designed to be shot at, right? I can't imagine there are not robust systems and procedures for stopping the spread of an engine fire on one of those things... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIghpockets Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 I had the opportunity to walk through a B-17 that belonged to the Confederate AirForce when they were at Trenton-Mercer (TTN) in NJ years ago. Basically it was an aluminum shell with a catwalk for crew to move along. Not a pressurized aircraft so left and right waist gunner positions were open windows. My overall impression was that there really was no protection other than the helmets and/or Flak jackets that the crew wore or sat on. I doubt there was any special effort to protect the control systems. The idea was to carry maximum payload ie bombs to target. My brother used to fly an Interstate L6 for one of these organizations. He decided to step away from this hobby lt was his opinion that the aircraft were flown until they crashed. It raises an interesting question: Is it better to keep all of these airplanes flying until extinction or at some point is it best to preserve them by putting them on static display? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylw314 Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 there might be a description of the fuel shutoff procedures in here... https://books.google.com/books?id=BTJxDwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueOne Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 2 hours ago, jaylw314 said: I expect the answer should be "never", given that B-17's were designed to be shot at, right? I can't imagine there are not robust systems and procedures for stopping the spread of an engine fire on one of those things... lol. Not worth it. I am out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueOne Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 1 hour ago, HIghpockets said: I had the opportunity to walk through a B-17 that belonged to the Confederate AirForce when they were at Trenton-Mercer (TTN) in NJ years ago. Basically it was an aluminum shell with a catwalk for crew to move along. Not a pressurized aircraft so left and right waist gunner positions were open windows. My overall impression was that there really was no protection other than the helmets and/or Flak jackets that the crew wore or sat on. I doubt there was any special effort to protect the control systems. The idea was to carry maximum payload ie bombs to target. My brother used to fly an Interstate L6 for one of these organizations. He decided to step away from this hobby lt was his opinion that the aircraft were flown until they crashed. It raises an interesting question: Is it better to keep all of these airplanes flying until extinction or at some point is it best to preserve them by putting them on static display? Keep ‘em flying! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigers2007 Posted October 5, 2019 Report Share Posted October 5, 2019 I just saw Blancolirio's (YouTube) opinions and comments regarding the crash. He did cover the stringent requirements they fall under to carry people around (training manuals, maintenance manuals,etc.). He also made it clear that many of these have been rebuilt from the ground-up. I would describe it as flying in an "old rebuilt experimental aircraft that had zero intent of transporting passengers" category. I flew in the Yankee Air Force's C-47 and B-25 with my dad and grandfather (WW2 pilot) when I was a child and I would do it again today if the opportunity came up. I probably skirt death more often by flying my vintage M20D. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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