slowflyin Posted September 10, 2019 Report Posted September 10, 2019 Can anyone recommend a source for Bravo Lord Mounts (J-9613-82)? Seems out of stock everywhere. I called Lord and left a message but no coms as of yet. Quote
StevenL757 Posted September 10, 2019 Report Posted September 10, 2019 I got my new ones at Aviall when the new engine went in back in 2014. If you have an account there, you can order direct, else, an MSC will need to get them for you. Failing that, try LASAR. Steve Quote
slowflyin Posted September 10, 2019 Author Report Posted September 10, 2019 Just now, StevenL757 said: I got my new ones at Aviall when the new engine went in back in 2014. If you have an account there, you can order direct, else, an MSC will need to get them for you. Failing that, try LASAR. Steve Thanks, I'll give them a try. LASAR shows out of stock. Quote
StevenL757 Posted September 10, 2019 Report Posted September 10, 2019 I should have been more specific...you'll need part# J23508-1. This is the kit that includes all four mounts. Change all four...don't piecemeal it. You can find them here... http://cessnadirect.com/j-23508-1 Steve Quote
slowflyin Posted September 10, 2019 Author Report Posted September 10, 2019 34 minutes ago, StevenL757 said: I should have been more specific...you'll need part# J23508-1. This is the kit that includes all four mounts. Change all four...don't piecemeal it. You can find them here... http://cessnadirect.com/j-23508-1 Steve Thanks Steve! I pulled the part number from the Mooney publication. Glad to hear there is a kit! Ordered! Mooneyspace once again making life easier. I googled, binged, called parts houses, checked LASAR, even called Lord and the part number you provided never showed up as a kit. Thanks again. Quote
philiplane Posted September 11, 2019 Report Posted September 11, 2019 (edited) There is a premium for buying the kit, at $1100 for four. The individual mounts vary between $180 to $210. Spruce has them in stock for $209 each. I buy them for $180 each, but my supplier is out of stock, with an expected due date of November 15th. They are the same mounts as the 182T Cessna. #J9613-82HA Edited September 11, 2019 by philiplane Quote
slowflyin Posted September 11, 2019 Author Report Posted September 11, 2019 I was told the -HA was a Barry not Lord mount. I poked around on MS for awhile and could not seem to find a consensus on Lord vs Barry. I've had great luck with Lord mounts in the past so I went with what I knew. Quote
carusoam Posted September 11, 2019 Report Posted September 11, 2019 Try a bit harder for the consensus... A while back there was a 10:1 preference for the Lord brand... The Barry brand seemed to be lower cost, but didn’t last as long... It would be near impossible to tell the first days... or years... Engine mounts and LG donuts are also provided by the two suppliers... My research is about eight years old already... things could have changed over time... I went with the Lords in both the gear and the engine mounts... Best regards, -a- Quote
philiplane Posted September 12, 2019 Report Posted September 12, 2019 The isolators should be replaced every 5 to 7 years on turbocharged planes for maximum effectiveness. Heat kills the rubber. After 7 years they are too stiff to limit the vibration transmitted to the airframe. Unfortunately, many people leave the isolators in place until they are sagged and dry rotted. Quote
nfonville Posted September 12, 2019 Report Posted September 12, 2019 1 hour ago, philiplane said: The isolators should be replaced every 5 to 7 years on turbocharged planes for maximum effectiveness. Heat kills the rubber. After 7 years they are too stiff to limit the vibration transmitted to the airframe. Unfortunately, many people leave the isolators in place until they are sagged and dry rotted. About how many man hours to replace those mounts? I have an engine at TBO but running great and oil analysis is great. I'm not sure mine have ever been changed as I don't find a log book entry since bravo conversion in 1995. Quote
carusoam Posted September 12, 2019 Report Posted September 12, 2019 Nfon, If it isn’t mentioned in the logs... Often people will see the engine drooping in the cowling when the rubber donuts have been squashed enough... Some times spacers can be added to realign the engine... but that would get a log entry as well... Mooney engines are typically evenly spaced in the cowl opening matching the spinner with the cowl... If it looks like the spinner is close to making contact... that would be sag. Or a broken engine mount... As far as swapping them out... Great project for annual time... when the cowl is open already... typically the engine needs to be lifted and separated from the mount just enough to get the donuts out and in... See if Phillip can add some real details. The Bravo May have some limitations regarding the exhaust system requirements just to lift the engine a few inches... PP thoughts only, not a mechanic... Best regards, -a- Quote
philiplane Posted September 12, 2019 Report Posted September 12, 2019 12 hours ago, nfonville said: About how many man hours to replace those mounts? I have an engine at TBO but running great and oil analysis is great. I'm not sure mine have ever been changed as I don't find a log book entry since bravo conversion in 1995. There are date codes on the rubber portion of the isolators. 7-95 means it was produced in July 1995 for example. Three of the four isolators are readily accessible. The fourth one is a nightmare. It takes the better part of a day to change them out, and you need an engine hoist with a tilt adapter so the engine can be tilted as needed in addition to being lifted. 3 Quote
llamasftmyers Posted April 8, 2021 Report Posted April 8, 2021 I am trying to find the Lord Mounts for my bravo, new engine coming, and it appears the part numbers are J9612-46 and J7763-53. There is a kit 590020-503 which appears to contain all four mounts. This is per the parts manual and I am trying to confirm with Lords and Mooney. I have been trying to locate these parts with no success. Any suggestions on where they might be purchased. Thank you Quote
llamasftmyers Posted April 8, 2021 Report Posted April 8, 2021 Received additional information from Lord The part put together is J-9613-82 and a kit of 4 of those are J-23508-1 at Cessna Direct. The problem is no one has any unless I am willing to go with the Barry mount and I would prefer the Lord mount. Quote
philiplane Posted April 11, 2021 Report Posted April 11, 2021 (edited) Just for fun, I've put Lord isolators on one engine of a twin, and Barry isolators on the other. After five years, the only difference is the price. And the availability. That was the actual reason, we couldn't get eight of the same brand at the same time. They're made from the same materials. Neither Lord nor Barry makes their own rubber compounds. The raw materials come from the same supplier. The raw materials are compounded to the same specs, because they have to produce the same durometer rubber. With the same load bearing capacity. I guess if Barry cost more than Lord, people would think they were the better isolators? Both companies make isolators that we use in industrial & heavy equipment applications. I've used both interchangeably on 2700 HP V16 diesel engines weighing in excess of 21,000 pounds. I use similar isolators on LNG fuel tank structures I've designed to mount on these large mine haul trucks. Barry is actually easier to work with since they will make custom isolators tuned to your application. Edited April 11, 2021 by philiplane Quote
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