SantosDumont Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 Well my TCM IO-360-ES1B got to 2120.1 hrs. Just started the annual and the front two cylinders are 40/80. Guess it's time for overhaul. Anyone ever used Nevada Aircraft Engines? They are right down the street from me and my mechanic suggested using them. I kind of like the idea of having someone local do it so I don't have to ship the engine out somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooney 217RN Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 Let me give you the best suggestion for your $$$. 2 1/2 years ago I replaced the Lycoming IO-360 A1A in my 1974 E Model. At the recommendation of Top Gun Aviation, I went to Air Power. I purchased a zero time factory reman IO-360A3B6. The price was just about that of an overhaul. I was extremely satisfied with the decision, and I had a factory warranty on the engine. When I went to sell the plane late last year, I got top $$$ for it largely due to the engine. I wouldn't do an overhaul from a 3rd party shop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve W Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 All I can say is make sure however your engine gets to the shop that it's insured in transit, even if it's your own car. One of the last things you want to happen is for your newly overhauled engine to get in a car accident... don't ask how I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steingar Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 Signature Engines (https://www.signatureenginesinc.com) did right by me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandelay Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 Some shops pickup and deliver if you’re within a reasonable distance.Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 1) Compression ratios and TCM.... go through the effort to follow the procedure exactly... it is possible that compression numbers aren’t that low. 2) Deciding to OH the engine based on CR of two cylinders... not very well correlated... 3) Deciding to OH the engine based on engine hours... Some PPs OH based on other signs of measurable wear... 4) 2100 hrs... you have done well. 5) What do you want next? - brand new - factory reman - factory OH - big shop OH - small shop OH 6) I wanted to run way past TBO, LOP.... a ground strike got in the way of that plan... so I went with the reman. Unless you want the OH, find out what is causing the low CRs... Unqualified, PP thoughts only, not a mechanic... Best regards, -a- 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KLRDMD Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 My shop uses Jewell and has for years and says they deliver as good a product as anyone in the industry. My engine has 2,000 hours on a 1,700 TBO but it is running perfectly. When it is time, Jewell will overhaul my engine. http://www.jewellaviation.com/overhauls.htm 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kortopates Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 Maybe it's time to overhaul or maybe it's not. But I surely wouldn't overhaul just because of a couple bad cylinders. If everything else is fine, I.e. it's not making metal, Pull the cylinders for repair or replacement first and get a good view of the bottom end, cam, lifters etc. Without more than cylinder issues there shouldn't be a pressing need to overhaul.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsxrpilot Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 When it's my turn I'll be sending my TSIO360 to Jewell. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandelay Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 Maybe it's time to overhaul or maybe it's not. But I surely wouldn't overhaul just because of a couple bad cylinders. If everything else is fine, I.e. it's not making metal, Pull the cylinders for repair or replacement first and get a good view of the bottom end, cam, lifters etc. Without more than cylinder issues there shouldn't be a pressing need to overhaul. Many APs won’t make major repairs once past TBO. They don’t want the liability I guess.Tom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 5 hours ago, SantosDumont said: Well my TCM IO-360-ES1B got to 2120.1 hrs. Just started the annual and the front two cylinders are 40/80. Guess it's time for overhaul. Anyone ever used Nevada Aircraft Engines? They are right down the street from me and my mechanic suggested using them. I kind of like the idea of having someone local do it so I don't have to ship the engine out somewhere. Is your shop familiar with Continental SB03-3? Failure to meet the minimum test value is not cause for cylinder removal until the engine has been flown again and a second test completed. https://m.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pdf/servicebulletin.pdf Clarence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonal Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 33 minutes ago, M20Doc said: Is your shop familiar with Continental SB03-3? Failure to meet the minimum test value is not cause for cylinder removal until the engine has been flown again and a second test completed. https://m.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pdf/servicebulletin.pdf Clarence My last annual we could not run the engine due to Calfire prohibiting ground ops during airport closure for fire fighting the plane had been grounded as a result for some weeks and one of my cylinders only gave 60 / 80 cold after the annual and with Calfire permission we were allowed to run up the engine and re test and got 78/80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kortopates Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 Many APs won’t make major repairs once past TBO. They don’t want the liability I guess.Tom If so, time to find another maintainer that has your best interest in mind. Mike has done a great webinar on this very topic available. Google "Deciding when to overhaul" by Mike - available on the EAA videos site.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmyfm20s Posted June 15, 2019 Report Share Posted June 15, 2019 I agree with what Paul has to say. 2 cylinders are off so take a good look at what you got first. If you decide to overhaul I would recommend Tim’s aircraft engines in Long Beach CA. The shop is clean and organized, he invites you in anytime to inspect the process and runs the engine at least an hour on the test stand before he sends it back to you. Price was very fair for my engine. Since your close I would take a look. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeOH Posted June 15, 2019 Report Share Posted June 15, 2019 2 hours ago, kortopates said: If so, time to find another maintainer that has your best interest in mind. Mike has done a great webinar on this very topic available. Google "Deciding when to overhaul" by Mike - available on the EAA videos site. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Yuup! I called LASAR and they wouldn't do an annual as my engine is past TBO. So, Top Gun got my business 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted June 15, 2019 Report Share Posted June 15, 2019 what airplane is this in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 15, 2019 Report Share Posted June 15, 2019 8 minutes ago, MikeOH said: Yuup! I called LASAR and they wouldn't do an annual as my engine is past TBO. So, Top Gun got my business Was this because it exceeded the 12 year calendar time or hourly TBO? Clarence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeOH Posted June 15, 2019 Report Share Posted June 15, 2019 Just now, M20Doc said: Was this because it exceeded the 12 year calendar time or hourly TBO? Clarence Their decision was based on hours, 2100; we never made it to age Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeOH Posted June 15, 2019 Report Share Posted June 15, 2019 18 minutes ago, Pete M said: what airplane is this in? If you are referring to my post, check my avatar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted June 15, 2019 Report Share Posted June 15, 2019 Santos has a unique-ish engine in his M20F... -a- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kortopates Posted June 15, 2019 Report Share Posted June 15, 2019 Santos has a unique-ish engine in his M20F... -a- Unique only for a Mooney, but it’s virtually a Cirrus SR-20 engine - thus very common these days.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SantosDumont Posted June 15, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2019 5 hours ago, M20Doc said: Is your shop familiar with Continental SB03-3? Failure to meet the minimum test value is not cause for cylinder removal until the engine has been flown again and a second test completed. https://m.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pdf/servicebulletin.pdf Clarence Yeah we ran it, got the same results as cold. $34k quote from Nevada Aircraft Engines. I’ll be getting a quote from Jewell. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kortopates Posted June 15, 2019 Report Share Posted June 15, 2019 All I can say is make sure however your engine gets to the shop that it's insured in transit, even if it's your own car. One of the last things you want to happen is for your newly overhauled engine to get in a car accident... don't ask how I know. Without knowing any details, let me just say I really felt bad for you reading that. That’s terribly bad luck and even if you didn’t incur extra expenses as a result I imagine it would add significant delay after already being down for some time. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve W Posted June 15, 2019 Report Share Posted June 15, 2019 1 hour ago, kortopates said: Without knowing any details, let me just say I really felt bad for you reading that. That’s terribly bad luck and even if you didn’t incur extra expenses as a result I imagine it would add significant delay after already being down for some time. I've said this will make a funny story someday. It's looking more like a story involving lawyers and annoyance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kortopates Posted June 15, 2019 Report Share Posted June 15, 2019 I've said this will make a funny story someday. It's looking more like a story involving lawyers and annoyance. Bummer! So sorry...Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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