mike_elliott Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 6 hours ago, Mooney 217RN said: No, I am holding off on calling him or emailing him. I know where he is at, and I might call the hospital to see how he is doing. Your comment is my exact thought - if he can tell us what occurred, that may shed some light on the cause. Good. Now is not the time for him to be placating our curiosity. He is full of pain medication I’ll bet. There will come a time he will share with us his observations. The NTSB will be hounding him to recant the accident well before he is mentally prepared to as it is. Let’s let Mark heal and let’s help him heal. I guarantee you it is a real hero who pulls you from a burning plane. This person I hope becomes known to us, we all owe him a round or two. Bobby, thanks for being there for me. 10 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexm Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 Very sad to read this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danb Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 10 hours ago, Texas Mooney said: Sad day for Mooney is right. Misplaced faith in insurance will probably spell doom for Mooney and we will all end up paying. You do realize that according to GAMA, Mooney only shipped 2 planes in the first quarter of 2019, both Acclaim Ultra's. https://gama.aero/wp-content/uploads/2019ShipmentReportQ105172019Final.pdf This burned out wreck represents 50% of Mooney's new aircraft cashflow. The $800K+ payout on the hull will just be the tip of insurance loss iceberg. Then there are years of medical costs. I am sure the pilot will be suing Mooney, Continental, the FBO. The passenger will be suing all those and the pilot. Damages to property on the ground will likely stimulate the same lawsuits. And let's not forget that insurance is a loss pool. Once the dust settles on all the claims and settlements, the cost will ultimately be distributed to all the remaining Mooney owners in higher insurance costs as well as higher prices for Continental engines and Mooney parts (IF MOONEY SURVIVES). It is no wonder GA is in a slow motion death. Wow "......no further comment needed from me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcb Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 6 hours ago, mike_elliott said: I guarantee you it is a real hero who pulls you from a burning plane. This person I hope becomes known to us, we all owe him a round or two. In the interview it was Mr. Tom Honeycutt (is what it sounds like?) and he was a hero for sure. A man of action with no hesitation! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LANCECASPER Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 30 minutes ago, wcb said: In the interview it was Mr. Honeycutt and he was a hero for sure. A man of action with no hesitation! https://www.azfamily.com/video/man-speaks-about-helping-save-pilot-from-burning-plane-in/video_5ea8f532-4409-57d3-8aaa-fb7c6ce5a3b2.html 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HXG Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 Impressive to see these heroes who act quickly in the face of danger to save a stranger from a plane or car wreck. Fortunately, not everyone stands there gawking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueOne Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 2 hours ago, LANCECASPER said: https://www.azfamily.com/video/man-speaks-about-helping-save-pilot-from-burning-plane-in/video_5ea8f532-4409-57d3-8aaa-fb7c6ce5a3b2.html Wow. In his emotional words after his selfless act his emotion was simply focused on the pilots welfare and his family being able to spend more time with him. What a wonderful human being... 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandelay Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 Fortunately, not everyone stands there use cell phones to take pictures and videos . Corrected that for you.Very impressive, he’s both humble and brave. Sounds like there was only seconds between impact and the explosion.Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steingar Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 (edited) My condolences to those who know the pilot, I hope his companion are able to recover fully. It is certainly distressing to read about the crash of a brand new Mooney days after delivery. I hope we find out what happened, and I do hope Mooney can survive this setback. Edited June 13, 2019 by steingar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HXG Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2019/06/mooney-m20v-acclaim-ultra-n576cm.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeOH Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 On 6/12/2019 at 5:18 PM, Texas Mooney said: Sad day for Mooney is right. Misplaced faith in insurance will probably spell doom for Mooney and we will all end up paying. You do realize that according to GAMA, Mooney only shipped 2 planes in the first quarter of 2019, both Acclaim Ultra's. https://gama.aero/wp-content/uploads/2019ShipmentReportQ105172019Final.pdf This burned out wreck represents 50% of Mooney's new aircraft cashflow. The $800K+ payout on the hull will just be the tip of insurance loss iceberg. Then there are years of medical costs. I am sure the pilot will be suing Mooney, Continental, the FBO. The passenger will be suing all those and the pilot. Damages to property on the ground will likely stimulate the same lawsuits. And let's not forget that insurance is a loss pool. Once the dust settles on all the claims and settlements, the cost will ultimately be distributed to all the remaining Mooney owners in higher insurance costs as well as higher prices for Continental engines and Mooney parts (IF MOONEY SURVIVES). It is no wonder GA is in a slow motion death. You need to leave. Frankly, I hope your insurance company reads your post and CANCELS your policy. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueOne Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 On 6/12/2019 at 7:18 PM, Texas Mooney said: Sad day for Mooney is right. Misplaced faith in insurance will probably spell doom for Mooney and we will all end up paying. You do realize that according to GAMA, Mooney only shipped 2 planes in the first quarter of 2019, both Acclaim Ultra's. https://gama.aero/wp-content/uploads/2019ShipmentReportQ105172019Final.pdf This burned out wreck represents 50% of Mooney's new aircraft cashflow. The $800K+ payout on the hull will just be the tip of insurance loss iceberg. Then there are years of medical costs. I am sure the pilot will be suing Mooney, Continental, the FBO. The passenger will be suing all those and the pilot. Damages to property on the ground will likely stimulate the same lawsuits. And let's not forget that insurance is a loss pool. Once the dust settles on all the claims and settlements, the cost will ultimately be distributed to all the remaining Mooney owners in higher insurance costs as well as higher prices for Continental engines and Mooney parts (IF MOONEY SURVIVES). It is no wonder GA is in a slow motion death. Me thinks the lady doth protest to much. (Agenda) Neither the time nor the place. (Bad form) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danb Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 What a great act of selflessness risking your life to help another human he doesn’t even know, this is an act of true an real heroism. After seeing the interview I felt overcome with emotion. What a man and hero. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeev Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 Real tough news and I am greatly saddened. I have flown that departure out of SDL to the north over DVT many times and can visualize what this unfortunate pilot was going through and seeing. Any accident is tough to read about but this one being a new Mooney, a competent well trained pilot flying in nice VFR is scary and sad. Many of the variables we associate with accidents like pilot error, weather and bad maintenance seem to be removed from this equation yet this fellow pilot was dealt a bad hand. My thoughts and condolences are with the pilot and his family. Heat soak and possible vapor lock was mentioned in an earlier post, while no one can make many conclusions yet I have flown my Mooney and many other airframes that have been heat soaked to over 100 deg at start up with no issues of vapor lock. So sad about this but a glimmer of hope for humanity in the selfless act of the bystander who risked his life to save this pilot while others were just filming with their phones, amazing! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LANCECASPER Posted June 15, 2019 Report Share Posted June 15, 2019 Even when they were hooking up to tow the wreckage, it caught on fire again https://www.azfamily.com/video/crashed-plane-catches-fire-while-being-towed-in-northwest-phoenix/video_1b8a1c47-a26c-5c49-a0fc-af9e7a799cb1.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooneymuscle56m Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 It’s tragic to hear about things like this. I’m glad to hear the both lived. One thing I thought about, 102 gallons of fuel is a lot of fuel and the second door probably saved one life. Imagine being upside down hanging by a seatbelt and the plane is loaded with fuel and on fire. You have seconds to make your exit. While nobody wants to read about this. The pilot and passenger were lucky to be in a Mooney, which I speculate saved their lives. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan208 Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 (edited) Very sad to read this . Thoughts and prayers to the family and friends. This is a horrific accident , this outcome is probably a blessing considering how it could of turned out . Thank God for the witness who helped him out of the plane . Edited June 17, 2019 by Dan208 Spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradp Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 This one makes me wish that Mooney engineering had worked on fuel cells for the new Models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_elliott Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 58 minutes ago, bradp said: This one makes me wish that Mooney engineering had worked on fuel cells for the new Models. Fuel cells for planes are designed for leak mitigation, not impact protection like in Indy cars. The weight would be a large penalty and would need to have self sealing break away connections. I am sure this has been bought up to engineering many times in the past. I dont know of any planes so designed now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradp Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 I thought diamond had considered impact protection with their fuel cell design but I could very well be mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exM20K Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, bradp said: I thought diamond had considered impact protection with their fuel cell design but I could very well be mistaken. The fuel tank in the DA40 and twins sits between the two wing spars, which are massive and each capable of supporting the aircraft. Additionally, all fuel lines are braided steel, and none run through the cabin. So there is a lot of passive safety. engineered into these planes, and to my knowledge, there has never been a post crash fire in one. it is not great that two nearly new Acclaims ( this one and the one that Richard parked next to a boat in Lakeland) have burned after a forced landing. -dan Edited June 17, 2019 by exM20K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueOne Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 Was this a solo flight (pilot only) or was there a passenger? I am reading conflicting information (in news and here). Anyone have an update on the pilots condition? The first few days are a critical time for burn injuries. I would really appreciate an update if anyone knows. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LANCECASPER Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 1 hour ago, RogueOne said: Was this a solo flight (pilot only) or was there a passenger? I am reading conflicting information (in news and here). Anyone have an update on the pilots condition? The first few days are a critical time for burn injuries. I would really appreciate an update if anyone knows. News said one person, pilot, no passenger. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueOne Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 30 minutes ago, LANCECASPER said: News said one person, pilot, no passenger. I fixed my initial post. I was basing my reply on the first post that discussed two not one aboard aircraft... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exM20K Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 Update on pilot's condition: https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/pilot-in-deer-valley-plane-crash-still-fighting-for-his-life-wife-says/ar-AAD9iGN?ocid=spartandhp Prayers up for a successful recovery, the challenges of which I cannot imagine. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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