Paul_Havelka Posted May 4, 2019 Report Share Posted May 4, 2019 I was perusing the for sale ads and came across one of the too good to be true ads and wondered if anyone may be in the area of this J model to possibly give it a once over, Only if it's not out of the way, if I am able to get the seller to return my calls. It appears to be located at Potomac Airfield in Ft Washington, MD. Evidently it is part of an estate that is being liquidated. The tail number is N201CA and SN 24-0438. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67 m20F chump Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 Do the math. Engine/prop overhaul. Paint windows and interior. There are no bargains in aviation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadrach Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Creekrat said: I was perusing the for sale ads and came across one of the too good to be true ads and wondered if anyone may be in the area of this J model to possibly give it a once over, Only if it's not out of the way, if I am able to get the seller to return my calls. It appears to be located at Potomac Airfield in Ft Washington, MD. Evidently it is part of an estate that is being liquidated. The tail number is N201CA and SN 24-0438. This is what it looked like in July of 2015. I took these myself. It was very rough then. Storing airplanes on grass long term is unkind...I’m 99% sure it hasn’t flown since I last saw it and it looked like it hadn’t flown in a long time then. It would take significant work just to be ferriable. It is also inside the FRZ, so whom every flies it out would need to be or have been vetted and fingerprinted for FRZ operations. I have FRZ authorization but I would be very uncomfortable with the idea of flying this machine unless the airframe and engine had been thoroughly inspected (jug removed) and fuel servo overhauled. Edited May 5, 2019 by Shadrach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul_Havelka Posted May 5, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 @Shadrach, Thanks for the pictures. Figured it'd be like that but you never know without asking. This looks more like something for the grim reaper. Calling @Alan Fox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadrach Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Creekrat said: @Shadrach, Thanks for the pictures. Figured it'd be like that but you never know without asking. This looks more like something for the grim reaper. Calling @Alan Fox It’s possible it could clean up ok, but no one has cared for it in a long time. Edited May 5, 2019 by Shadrach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vno Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 37 minutes ago, Shadrach said: This is what it looked like in July of 2015. I took these myself. It was very rough then. Storing airplanes on grass long term is unkind...I’m 99% sure it hasn’t flown since I last saw it and it looked like it hadn’t flown in a long time then. It would take significant work just to be ferriable. It is also inside the FRZ, so whom every flies it out would need to be or have been vetted and fingerprinted for FRZ operations. I have FRZ authorization but I would be very uncomfortable with the idea of flying this machine unless the airframe and engine had been thoroughly inspected (jug removed) and fuel servo overhauled. Criminal. And depressing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsxrpilot Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 That cable on the prop is a bit redundant. Use it to go lock up a bicycle somewhere, this plane isn't ever going anywhere. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KLRDMD Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 Just curious. How much were they offering you to take it off their hands ? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadrach Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 46 minutes ago, Vno said: Criminal. And depressing. Agreed. I landed at KVKX for a lunch meeting and then spent some time exploring the place. When I saw N201CA sitting in the grass on the other side of the runway I walked over to check out the sad scene. I took theses shots as a momento of what can happen if you don’t let go at the right time. There was a time when this was a fine and desirable machine but that time was long, long ago. The owner should have sold long before allowing this to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Fox Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 This plane has been sitting for 25 plus years , was parked in the 90s , some type of tax , or divorce thing … It is toast , I peeked at it 3 years ago... 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 I think I hear a quick cut saw warming up. Clarence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank B. Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 But the ad says that it has “speed mods” .... and that it is IFR equipped (dated bu everything working) with a recent service, oil change as well as new tires and brakes ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul_Havelka Posted May 5, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 Just curious. How much were they offering you to take it off their hands ? It’s listed at 30kSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul_Havelka Posted May 5, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 But the ad says that it has “speed mods” I mean it does have all the 201 speed mods...lolSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandelay Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 It’s listed at 30k Engine $36k (I would factory overhaul this since it’s such an unknown)Prop $4kPaint $15kInterior $10kWindows $5kAvionics $50kFuel tank reseal $10kYou’d be $160k all in...that assumes no corrosion and doesn’t count the various limit switches that probably don’t work (gear, flaps)Electric boost pump overhaul Gear motor overhauled, back spring replaced Fuel senders overhaul or replaced Etc etcTom 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbridges Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 5 hours ago, Creekrat said: It’s listed at 30k Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I don't like to beat down a seller, but that's very optimistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bravoman Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 1 hour ago, rbridges said: I don't like to beat down a seller, but that's very optimistic. If they gave you 30k to take it you’d still be in the hole. Hows that for a beat down? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorlon1 Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 16 hours ago, Alan Fox said: This plane has been sitting for 25 plus years , was parked in the 90s , some type of tax , or divorce thing … It is toast , I peeked at it 3 years ago... According to flightaware, it flew from Florida in Dec 2008... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob_Belville Posted May 6, 2019 Report Share Posted May 6, 2019 Those MSs who have visited my hangar at MRN know that the view directly across from my door is of 3 abandoned planes rotting into the grass - a C150, a Bonanza, and a Navion. Maybe there is a plane equivalent to the charities who take old cars off your hands. They'd have to have staff to clear the title I suppose and then auction it to the scrap folks like @Alan Fox. "One Eight Hundred Kars 4 Kids." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul_Havelka Posted May 6, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2019 Supposedly this aircraft has a deposit on it pending annual. I highly suspect that that the annual will have MANY squawks. According to the ad it had a 100 hr inspection in the last half of 2018. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsxrpilot Posted May 6, 2019 Report Share Posted May 6, 2019 8 hours ago, ArtVandelay said: Engine $36k (I would factory overhaul this since it’s such an unknown) Prop $4k Paint $15k Interior $10k Windows $5k Avionics $50k Fuel tank reseal $10k You’d be $160k all in...that assumes no corrosion and doesn’t count the various limit switches that probably don’t work (gear, flaps) Electric boost pump overhaul Gear motor overhauled, back spring replaced Fuel senders overhaul or replaced Etc etc Tom Yep, spend the $160K and with a little luck around corrosion, and the other stuff, you'll be the proud owner of an $80K airplane. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsxrpilot Posted May 6, 2019 Report Share Posted May 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, Creekrat said: Supposedly this aircraft has a deposit on it pending annual. I highly suspect that that the annual will have MANY squawks. According to the ad it had a 100 hr inspection in the last half of 2018. You can be thankful it's not your money making up that deposit. Better it's some other sucker. Any plane can pass an annual. You just have to find the right AI. There was a guy here in Texas who would sign anyone's log book. You had to print or write out the sticker yourself, bring him a $100 bill and a box of beer and he'd sign your log book. He just didn't care. So even if it does pass an annual, you can be glad it's not your deposit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricJ Posted May 6, 2019 Report Share Posted May 6, 2019 20 minutes ago, gsxrpilot said: You can be thankful it's not your money making up that deposit. Better it's some other sucker. Any plane can pass an annual. You just have to find the right AI. There was a guy here in Texas who would sign anyone's log book. You had to print or write out the sticker yourself, bring him a $100 bill and a box of beer and he'd sign your log book. He just didn't care. So even if it does pass an annual, you can be glad it's not your deposit. There was a story at the IA seminar here about a logbook with an annual signed a couple days after the airplane crashed. The logbooks were in transit in the mail from the remote IA and showed up for the investigators after the crash. The annual was reportedly done based on photographs. D'oh. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 6, 2019 Report Share Posted May 6, 2019 17 minutes ago, EricJ said: There was a story at the IA seminar here about a logbook with an annual signed a couple days after the airplane crashed. The logbooks were in transit in the mail from the remote IA and showed up for the investigators after the crash. The annual was reportedly done based on photographs. D'oh. That would take some explaining. Clarence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steingar Posted May 6, 2019 Report Share Posted May 6, 2019 I suspect if the seller gave you that aircraft for free you'd be upside down before you made it safe. What a damn shame. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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