FredMahan Posted February 8, 2019 Report Share Posted February 8, 2019 Hello all, new member here. I always thought that a manual gear F model would be the one to have. That would limit me to the 1966-68 years, with both manual and electric gear available in 67 and 68, I think. Did any F or later models have electric gear, but kept the Johnson bar as a backup gear system? I thought I saw an ad recently that hinted at that. Thanks for any info. Fred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted February 8, 2019 Report Share Posted February 8, 2019 Jim speaks truth. The electric motor hooks in right where the J-bar attaches, and it's replaced by a stubby arm that closely resembles (and may be) a cut-off Johnson bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yetti Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 the electric gear is really well designed. There is nothing to fear. Other than loose nut behind the yoke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 Welcome aboard, Fred... It is great to have the manual gear option... So when you move on to the electric gear, you know what everyone is crowing about! The ultimate in manual Mooneys has a J-bar, hydraulic flaps, a crank down step, and manual speed brakes! Then you graduate to a Long Body, and everything can be all electric.... There are no bad Mooney models... just some are preferred more than others by one group of pilot, or the other... Go Mooney, -a- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 (edited) Some of us have all-electric Short Bodies, like my C. P.S.--youtube loads video slowly. This was during annual last year. It explains why I thought @Marauder's gear sure was slow.m Edited February 9, 2019 by Hank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLJA Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 18 minutes ago, Yetti said: the electric gear is really well designed. There is nothing to fear. Other than loose nut behind the yoke. Which side of the yoke is deemed “behind”? Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLCarter Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 If I remember correctly the early ratio was 40:1 and the new (replacement) gear motors are 20:1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 25 minutes ago, RLCarter said: If I remember correctly the early ratio was 40:1 and the new (replacement) gear motors are 20:1 That'd be mine and his'n, respectively. My hand crank is 52 turns, so halving the gear ratio should double it to 104 turns of that rotating handle. Doesn't sound like fun. The one time I needed it for real, the wheels were mostly down when I lost electricity, only got about 6 turns before it stopped. But the floor indicator showed good, I landed smoothly and taxied to the hangar., no problem. Until the door handle broke instead of opening . . . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron McBride Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 Early electric gear motors are 20:1, 40:1 can be retro fit. 40:1 is much better. Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yetti Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 1 hour ago, GLJA said: Which side of the yoke is deemed “behind”? Lol The nut in the seat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 30 minutes ago, N803RM said: Early electric gear motors are 20:1, 40:1 can be retro fit. 40:1 is much better. Ron How so? It's slower, so people automatically assume that means lower stress on the motor and longer life. But I've never seen any data either way, only opinions and pronouncements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron McBride Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 10 hours ago, Hank said: How so? It's slower, so people automatically assume that means lower stress on the motor and longer life. But I've never seen any data either way, only opinions and pronouncements. With the 20:1, I could feel the gear slamming up and down, with the 40:1 to ones you can feel it, not nearly as much. Has to be easier on the components. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 With the 20:1, I could feel the gear slamming up and down, with the 40:1 to ones you can feel it, not nearly as much. Has to be easier on the components. Do you know if the 40:1 is what allows the Js to have higher gear speed?Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browncbr1 Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 (edited) For what it’s worth for the OPer, IMHO, I chose the Jbar mainly because the electric has a single point of failure that is a $1 coil spring that has a cold formed flange. If the tiny flange breaks, you’re SOL. If I understood correctly after speaking with an MSC, it is a return spring??, and so he said if it breaks, you can’t even drop the gear manually. You’re forced to land on the belly. I’d rather not have a bad day because a tiny fatigued spring decided to break. That’s why they have to be replaced every so many hours, which is quite costly in labor. There are also limit switches and other things that can and do go bad. I recall a friend spending a few thousand getting his gear motor worked on... I also think the electric gear costs UL. If you do get electric gear anyway, get the one that has the slower gear ratio. Edited February 9, 2019 by Browncbr1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yetti Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 (edited) I believe your MSC was talking about the Js and up without the E gear hand crank method. They have a brass part that if it strips you are belly landing. The hand crank has a spline gear for engaging. If miss adjusted it would be possible to strip the spline gear and have a belly landing. The actuator should be lubed along with the rest of the gear. This is all easy to know before a belly landing if you are doing the E gear extension at annual like you should be. If the pilot has not done one, they should ask the shop if they can participate. Edited February 9, 2019 by Yetti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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