Mooney for CFI checkride? (performance take offs/ landings)

[ragedracer1977]

1 minute ago, RobertGary1 said:

Sure. Like I said in the end you’ll probably eventually win your argument it just takes some time and effort. The burden is on you to prove the left seat wasn’t flying.

 

-Robert 

Yeah, no it isn’t.  

[carusoam]

PIC and / or pilot flying... sounds like a legal discussion that surfaces annually...

Something that gets discussed often in the cockpit. Driven by insurance coverage and a CFI That doesn’t need to take on additional responsibility...

Best regards,

-a-

[RobertGary1]

40 minutes ago, carusoam said:

Thanks Robert.

My misunderstanding... it sounded (to me) like pulling the valve caused the plane to slow...  like an automotive parking brake... 

Best regards,

-a-

It’s kind of my guess. I just saw him pulling the parking brake in and out and we had much stronger braking each time he pulled it out. I’m assuming he was pumping the tow brakes at the same time He’s a good IA so I was helping his mushey brakes  

-Robert

[gsxrpilot]

If it's my airplane, and I'm PIC, it doesn't matter who's hands/feet are on the controls. I'm the pilot, I'm insured. No questions to ask.

[RobertGary1]

26 minutes ago, ragedracer1977 said:

Yeah, no it isn’t.  

Hahah. You’ll have fun arguing with the insurance co. If my agent hadnt the issue happen he wouldn’t worry. But it sounds like you have far more experience with working with insurance co’s than the agents  

-Robert 

14 minutes ago, gsxrpilot said:

If it's my airplane, and I'm PIC, it doesn't matter who's hands/feet are on the controls. I'm the pilot, I'm insured. No questions to ask.

Yea they really don’t worry too much about PIC. Insurance is more concerned with who’s flying. They don’t want you letting your friend who doesn’t meet open warranty fly. My policy talks about pilot flying  must meet the requirements  

-Robert 

Edited February 2, 2019 by RobertGary1

[gsxrpilot]

15 minutes ago, RobertGary1 said:

Hahah. You’ll have fun arguing with the insurance co. If my agent hadnt the issue happen he wouldn’t worry. But it sounds like you have far more experience with working with insurance co’s than the agents  

-Robert 

Yea they really don’t worry too much about PIC. Insurance is more concerned with who’s flying. They don’t want you letting your friend who doesn’t meet open warranty fly. My policy talks about pilot flying  must meet the requirements  

-Robert 

You gotta get a better agent.

[RobertGary1]

Just now, gsxrpilot said:

You gotta get a better agent.

Yea one less experienced who hasn’t seen all this happen  Sometimes ignorance is the best bliss  

It didn’t cost anything to sent the letter though so it was free safety   

-Robert 

[Danb]

I’m glad I did the commercial in my Mooney 30+ years ago, it’s seems the standards must have been much easier at that time. I got my instrument rating in my Mooney just after completing my private Then went into the commercial with no break in training. I can’t imagine having to replicate all the required items now. Jeez time flys by.

[midlifeflyer]

The only real issue I can see is, some pilots like to practice solo. When I was working on my CFI, I flew exclusively in the right seat. Solo, trips with my non-pilot wife, etc. if you don't have right seat brakes, that would be a challenge.

On the insurance issue, I let others argue about what they "think" the policy says. I read the policy.  There is some states case law here and there which creates a rebuttable presumption that the left seat is PIC, just as there are some which say the highest rated pilot is PIC. "Rebuttable" means "until there is evidence to the contrary."

Easiest solution is, of course written insurance approval. Personally (not a legal opinion) I will sometimes do a simple text or email laying out the responsibilities before the flight. 

Edited February 2, 2019 by midlifeflyer

[Yetti]

Make sure your trim is reset before doing a performance take off.   You will only forget it twice.

poweroff 180 are easy peasy even for a lowly VFR pilot (who read the first chapter of the IFR manual this week)   

 

[FFpilotChris]

well the DPE made the decision for me.  He does not want to do it in a plane without dual brakes, so I am renting the 172

[HXG]

A lot of DPE’s don’t want any potential risk or liability in assuming control of braking.  You typically don’t have any choice in the DPE assigned for the CFI checkride. The 172 will only make relatively easy flight portion easier. Good luck and congrats on getting your CFI certificate. 

[midlifeflyer]

5 minutes ago, HXG said:

You typically don’t have any choice in the DPE assigned for the CFI checkride.

Even this has changed in a number of districts in an effort to focus ASIs on safety issues given manpower and budgetary constraints.  It has also changed back and forth from ASI to DPE selected by FSDO to DPE chosen by pilot (or CFI) I through the years. A friend recently selected the DPE for the CFI ride and, to give historical perspective, my CFI hand-selected mine back in 1999.

[HXG]

Interesting, I was wondering if you may now be able to choose your DPE for the CFI checkride. 

[midlifeflyer]

26 minutes ago, HXG said:

Interesting, I was wondering if you may now be able to choose your DPE for the CFI checkride. 

WAG - despite FSDO unification it's still varying by district.

[FFpilotChris]

Vegas FSDO used to assign the CFI dpe.  As of a few months ago the FSDO changed policy to have the pilot contact the DPE to schedule the checkride.  They also got more expensive

[RLCarter]

It's my understanding that the FSDO in the past had the option of assigning a DPE for the initial CFI check ride if the they didn't have time/resources and now you just schedule with the DPE