jetdriven Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 I haven’t heard any buzz about EMag getting certified for Production aircraft. The Surefly has been just about to get certified for nearly three years now. I can’t see how they can package the electronics and the CDI ignition in that housing and make it work. Not enough volume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LANCECASPER Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 1 hour ago, jetdriven said: Get a refund or exchange for the slick mag, and swap them both for Bendix units, and sell the Slicks to an RV builder. There are no Bendix mags approved for an M20M. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviatoreb Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 2 hours ago, jetdriven said: I haven’t heard any buzz about EMag getting certified for Production aircraft. The Surefly has been just about to get certified for nearly three years now. I can’t see how they can package the electronics and the CDI ignition in that housing and make it work. Not enough volume. I am aware - I had emails with a person at EMags last summer and they said they are working on it - but not close - as in several years to go. Surefly seems much closer and they seem a good next best. Aren't both of those systems operating well, honed and improved, for years in the experimental fleet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviatoreb Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 2 hours ago, ArtVandelay said: I don’t have any data but I would think mounting a electronic device to a engine with all that heat and vibration will cause more failures, where a device mounted to the firewall would be more reliable. Tom As I understand electronics can be hardened to be appropriate for the application if one is willing to pay the price. Is this device properly hardened? I don't know but hasn't it been tested for years in the experimental fleet? AS I understand it, there is electronics for nav and targeting in big artillery shells. Now thats a harsh environment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandelay Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 As I understand electronics can be hardened to be appropriate for the application if one is willing to pay the price. Is this device properly hardened? I don't know but hasn't it been tested for years in the experimental fleet? AS I understand it, there is electronics for nav and targeting in big artillery shells. Now thats a harsh environment. I ask my mechanic who works on a lot experimentals, he’s had a few switch back to mags. But that’s only 1 datapoint.Tom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLCarter Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 49 minutes ago, aviatoreb said: AS I understand it, there is electronics for nav and targeting in big artillery shells. Now thats a harsh environment. But it only works once and for a few minutes..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviatoreb Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 13 minutes ago, RLCarter said: But it only works once and for a few minutes..... Yeah but imagine the g’s shock of shooting an electronics kit out a howitzer - or a navy twenty inch gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviatoreb Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 26 minutes ago, ArtVandelay said: I ask my mechanic who works on a lot experimentals, he’s had a few switch back to mags. But that’s only 1 datapoint. Tom Huh - I haven’t heard but could be. Have you heard anything about the e mags? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandelay Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 Huh - I haven’t heard but could be. Have you heard anything about the e mags? We didn’t discuss specifics, Emag vs Surefly...just in general.Tom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 On 1/26/2019 at 2:11 PM, nfonville said: Does anyone have the part number for the Left mag? From the Champion application guide. Clarence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 On 1/28/2019 at 8:40 PM, aviatoreb said: RIght - I need to do the 500hr inspection I mean. Is that the same thing as what is called IRAN? Pick a good shop to do the 500 hour. I recently posted a picture of the parts replaced on a proper 500 HR on a pair of Bendix mags. We use Aircraft Magneto Serice in Montana with great success. Clarence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfonville Posted January 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 (edited) I got the plane back yesterday. They replaced the capacitor kit (PN: K3984) on the left and retimed the right. The crimp on connector broke off on the old one. Ran like a champ. Only cost $680 to get it out of the shop. Glad I did not have to buy a new mag. Oh well, now ready for the PPP in LAL this weekend. Mooney on folks! Edited January 30, 2019 by nfonville 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviatoreb Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 19 minutes ago, M20Doc said: Pick a good shop to do the 500 hour. I recently posted a picture of the parts replaced on a proper 500 HR on a pair of Bendix mags. We use Aircraft Magneto Serice in Montana with great success. Clarence Thanks for the reference - exactly what I need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N201MKTurbo Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 11 hours ago, aviatoreb said: As I understand electronics can be hardened to be appropriate for the application if one is willing to pay the price. Is this device properly hardened? I don't know but hasn't it been tested for years in the experimental fleet? AS I understand it, there is electronics for nav and targeting in big artillery shells. Now thats a harsh environment. They only have to withstand 25000 Gs no problem. I'm working on a project with those considerations. the technical nuances will make your head swim... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviatoreb Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 22 minutes ago, N201MKTurbo said: They only have to withstand 25000 Gs no problem. I'm working on a project with those considerations. the technical nuances will make your head swim... Head swimming is my job description. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N201MKTurbo Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 Someday there will be a thread: EMAG stranded me again 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 Great follow-up nfonville! New and OH mags can have their timing slip after installation... you probably have some guidance to follow for that? PP thoughts only... Best regards, -a- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfonville Posted February 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 22 hours ago, carusoam said: Great follow-up nfonville! New and OH mags can have their timing slip after installation... you probably have some guidance to follow for that? PP thoughts only... Best regards, -a- They timed the left mag at reinstallation and then retimed the right mag. Flew from DFW area to Lakeland FLA today and all seems good. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davidv Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 On 1/30/2019 at 8:32 AM, M20Doc said: From the Champion application guide. Clarence I apologize if this was covered already but the POH calls for 6260 and 6261s yet I currently have 6360 and 6361 on mine. My engine has the Bravo conversion. Has anyone had experience with this when putting in new mags? I need to overhaul them and wondering which to use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 David, Is that the AF1A version of the TSIO 540 you have in your Bravo? Best regards, -a- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davidv Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 All of the docs say AF1B and it has the wethead configuration. It’s a 1992. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LANCECASPER Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Davidv said: I apologize if this was covered already but the POH calls for 6260 and 6261s yet I currently have 6360 and 6361 on mine. My engine has the Bravo conversion. Has anyone had experience with this when putting in new mags? I need to overhaul them and wondering which to use. The 6260 and 6261 are the old part numbers, the only new mags available are the 6360 and 6361. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davidv Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 Thanks again @LANCECASPER! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcstealth Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 On 1/31/2019 at 8:42 PM, nfonville said: They timed the left mag at reinstallation and then retimed the right mag. Flew from DFW area to Lakeland FLA today and all seems good. What setting? 20? 25? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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